Carrying handgun in car without CCL

[Mike D Texas]

You were soing fine until the part about a BOS clearing you. It does not clear you of anything, and creates defacto registration.

Thank you for posting this. I don't know where this BOS garbage comes from.


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[Muzzle210]

The original post has been answered. The thread turned into……how a gun should orshould not be sold (documentation, what is required by law ect..). I must say, I have seen many threads in andaround this topic.
I know I know, thereare a lot of you out there that may have heard this before and are tired of thesubject. It is just that most of what I read is people that want no papertrail, some minimal, some want excessive documentation or there is no lawrequiring it so I won’t do it, reaching into the why to do it or why not to doit,ect...ect.
What is never clear to me is (if out of necessity I sellmy pistol or rifle) what exactly is inplace to protect my innocence if what I sold is used in a crime and is tracedback to me because I am the original owner.? Remembering where I was and what I was doing and an alibi to testify tothat fact would be just so great if everything fell into place like that. But, if I can’t remember a dam thing on theday of said crime ……what is in place to protect my innocence? No, I am not paranoid about such things. An hopfully I am never in the situation of havingto sale what I have. Just tryin to findclarity on the topic.

 

[TheDan]

what is in place to protect my innocence?

Our entire system of justice. The burden of proof is not on you...

 

[Charlie]

Had an FFL friend of mine call me after the Feds called him regarding another friend that he received a pistol for. They wanted him to contact my friend (who purchased the pistol) to find out where it was (the guy that bought it was in Iraq, unavailable!). I was with the guy when he sold the pistol to someone at a gun show where he was handed the cash and he handed over the pistol (months after he had gotten it). Evidently it had been picked up (at a crime scene or from a suspecte, etc.?) and the feds were tracking back. FFL friend gave that info to the feds and that's the last we ever heard of it. This has been at least two years ago. Evidently once they found out it was legally sold to an individual from an individual, the feds blew it off. That was it! No more fed involvement with the FFL or my friend. They did everything legally and with NO paperwork (other than the initial purchase through the FFL. No bill of sale, etc. More evidence that a bill of sale is NOT necessary.

 

[Bithabus]

Our entire system of justice.

This. Most guns used in crime have been sold off the books many times. The detective is not an idiot, if you tell him you sold the gun 2 years ago that will be the end of it.

 

[txinvestigator]

The original post has been answered. The thread turned into……how a gun should orshould not be sold (documentation, what is required by law ect..). I must say, I have seen many threads in andaround this topic.
I know I know, thereare a lot of you out there that may have heard this before and are tired of thesubject. It is just that most of what I read is people that want no papertrail, some minimal, some want excessive documentation or there is no lawrequiring it so I won’t do it, reaching into the why to do it or why not to doit,ect...ect.
What is never clear to me is (if out of necessity I sellmy pistol or rifle) what exactly is inplace to protect my innocence if what I sold is used in a crime and is tracedback to me because I am the original owner.? Remembering where I was and what I was doing and an alibi to testify tothat fact would be just so great if everything fell into place like that. But, if I can’t remember a dam thing on theday of said crime ……what is in place to protect my innocence? No, I am not paranoid about such things. An hopfully I am never in the situation of havingto sale what I have. Just tryin to findclarity on the topic.

You do not need to be be cleared. Unless the police have evidence that you were involved in some offense, you just tell them you sold the gun three years ago at a gun show. Being the purchaser of a firearm later used in a crime is not probable cause to implicate you in the crime.

As I have said before, if your mother in law was killed with that gun and you claim you sold it, you MIGHT have some 'splaining to do.

 

[Muzzle210]

Thanks for the input on my question. My intreast for guns have increased/been reguvenated in the last year or so and researching one thing allways leads to finding other topics of intreast. In fact, I was looking into rifle scope things and ran into other stuff......reminded of what things that have happened and what laws that have been passed this administration.....paints a bigger picture of why one would not want a paper trail. Thanks again for the input. It helped out a lot.

 

[krury]

Advice is free and worth every penny!

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Hello,

I love free advise from people who are 99% sure they know what they are talking about.
I Chl for 6 years now. The castle law extends to your car, truck, motorcycle, bicycle or your tricycle as long as it is concealed.
Keep in mind if the boogieman breaks into your car he now has your gun. Hide it a little better than the GB.

I live in San Antonio, TX and I carry a loaded 9mm in the glove box of my car and I do not have my CCL yet, it was my understanding that this was legal according to Senate Bill 378 effective September 1, 2007.

I was talking to my coworkers today about this and they swore up and down this was illegal. They said it was ok to transport the gun from the range and back home but it's against the law to have it loaded and hidden 24/7.

I'm pretty sure they are wrong but it does have me wondering.

Does anyone else do this? Have you been pulled over and told the police officer you had a concealed gun with your CCL?

Thanks,

-Mike

 

[FoxHound]

Exactly what I thought

It seemed a lot of people in this thread were implying (or actually believed) that a bill of sale from a firearm used in a crime would be used against the original owner for criminal prosecution, which is absolutely asinine

I just wanted to make sure I understood what people were asking.

That's like selling a car and then getting convicted to accessory to murder if the buyer used it to run over a pedestrian lol

 

[10mm and 45]

A little late into this thread but IMO I'd prefer that no one knows what valuables are in my vehicle. The less people know the better. I assume you do not carry it on you since you state you don't have a CHL yet so you just leave it in your car? Now your co workers know you have something of value in your car and that could be asking for trouble. All it takes is one co worker talking about this guy he works with that carries his gun in his car and before you blink you car gets burglarized.

On another topic, when a policeman stops you and ask if you have a firearm in the vehicle should you lie and say no or should you tell him you do?

 

[txinvestigator]

On another topic, when a policeman stops you and ask if you have a firearm in the vehicle should you lie and say no or should you tell him you do?

Never lie. It is bad juju. But why would he ask? It is not unlawful and of no consequence.

 

[TheDan]

But why would he ask? It is not unlawful and of no consequence.

It seems to be SOP some places. I've only been pulled over in TX a couple times and they've never asked, but in other states almost every time I've been pulled over they have asked if I had weapons in the vehicle.

 

[Charlie]

Why lie?

 

[Bithabus]

Why lie?

Ask someone who lives in NYC or Chicago

 

[Charlie]

I checked. Fortunately NYC and Chicago are at the very end of my list of places I might go! I rarely get out of Texas now that my kids have moved back here from W.V. (to Katy). But I appreciate the recommendation.

 

[M. Sage]

On another topic, when a policeman stops you and ask if you have a firearm in the vehicle should you lie and say no or should you tell him you do?

Never lie, that's asking for trouble. You're also limiting yourself to two options when there are actually three.

1. Lie.
2. Answer truthfully.
3. Refuse to answer.

Like I said, lying is just asking for trouble. I don't know of a law in Texas, but I know it's illegal to lie to a federal cop. I also know that being caught in a lie can justify an officer to further detain, search or even arrest you.

So never lie. If you don't feel comfortable telling him, just refuse to answer.

 

[gwb8568]

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