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  • deemus

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    I think that’s a small fine. No serious trouble for him, which it sounds like he needs.
     
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    alyeh

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    Hey all,
    Called Austin as recommended earlier. Disclaimer though, the person I spoke to was a desk rep rather than a Special Agent. From what we spoke about, ATF has exclusive jurisdiction of 27 CFR, which mostly pertains to FFLs. As long as Chaz doesn't violate the GCA, NFA, or commit a "willful violation", there is nothing the ATF can enforce that prohibits a licensee from taking a customer's gun, recording it in his log properly, and keeping it forever. FFL's can only be revoked if they "willfully" commit the following:
    1. Transferring a firearm to a prohibited person
    2. Failing to conduct a required background check
    3. Falsifying records, such as a firearms transaction form
    4. Failing to respond to a trace request
    5. Refusing to permit ATF to conduct an inspection
    6. Account for firearms
    7. Verify and document buyer eligibility
    8. Maintain records needed for successful firearms tracing
    9. Report multiple sales of handguns
    And apparently even if you commit any of those, only 0.7% of violations result in revocation. Theft of a gun and transporting stolen property between states is under 18 U.S.C. and under the jurisdiction of the FBI. Not sure how much of this is accurate. The guy put me on hold for 10 minutes trying to find an answer. I plan on calling back and asking for a Special Agent directly. Can any FFLs or others with legal experience chime in?

    Thanks
     

    Darkpriest667

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    Hey all,
    Called Austin as recommended earlier. Disclaimer though, the person I spoke to was a desk rep rather than a Special Agent. From what we spoke about, ATF has exclusive jurisdiction of 27 CFR, which mostly pertains to FFLs. As long as Chaz doesn't violate the GCA, NFA, or commit a "willful violation", there is nothing the ATF can enforce that prohibits a licensee from taking a customer's gun, recording it in his log properly, and keeping it forever. FFL's can only be revoked if they "willfully" commit the following:
    1. Transferring a firearm to a prohibited person
    2. Failing to conduct a required background check
    3. Falsifying records, such as a firearms transaction form
    4. Failing to respond to a trace request
    5. Refusing to permit ATF to conduct an inspection
    6. Account for firearms
    7. Verify and document buyer eligibility
    8. Maintain records needed for successful firearms tracing
    9. Report multiple sales of handguns
    And apparently even if you commit any of those, only 0.7% of violations result in revocation. Theft of a gun and transporting stolen property between states is under 18 U.S.C. and under the jurisdiction of the FBI. Not sure how much of this is accurate. The guy put me on hold for 10 minutes trying to find an answer. I plan on calling back and asking for a Special Agent directly. Can any FFLs or others with legal experience chime in?

    Thanks

    So tomorrow's adventure is calling the FBI.

    5740 University Heights Blvd.
    San Antonio, TX 78249
    sanantonio.fbi.gov
    (210) 225-6741


    That's the closest field office to WIlliamson county
     

    DoubleDuty

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    Hey all,
    Called Austin as recommended earlier. Disclaimer though, the person I spoke to was a desk rep rather than a Special Agent. From what we spoke about, ATF has exclusive jurisdiction of 27 CFR, which mostly pertains to FFLs. As long as Chaz doesn't violate the GCA, NFA, or commit a "willful violation", there is nothing the ATF can enforce that prohibits a licensee from taking a customer's gun, recording it in his log properly, and keeping it forever. FFL's can only be revoked if they "willfully" commit the following:
    1. Transferring a firearm to a prohibited person
    2. Failing to conduct a required background check
    3. Falsifying records, such as a firearms transaction form
    4. Failing to respond to a trace request
    5. Refusing to permit ATF to conduct an inspection
    6. Account for firearms
    7. Verify and document buyer eligibility
    8. Maintain records needed for successful firearms tracing
    9. Report multiple sales of handguns
    And apparently even if you commit any of those, only 0.7% of violations result in revocation. Theft of a gun and transporting stolen property between states is under 18 U.S.C. and under the jurisdiction of the FBI. Not sure how much of this is accurate. The guy put me on hold for 10 minutes trying to find an answer. I plan on calling back and asking for a Special Agent directly. Can any FFLs or others with legal experience chime in?

    Thanks
    Looks like your only alternative is to let Dementia Joes puppeteers know about it. They are hot on shutting down FFLs and don't give a shit about following the law or Constitution.
     

    toddnjoyce

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    …Theft of a gun and transporting stolen property between states is under 18 U.S.C. and under the jurisdiction of the FBI. Not sure how much of this is accurate…
    18 U.S.C § 2314 deals with “transportation of stolen goods, securities, money, fraudulent state tax stamps, or articles used in counterfeiting.”

    Needs to be valued at $5000 or more to be a federal offense. FBI primarily, but other fed agencies have jurisdiction as well.
     

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