ATF seized a ton of Larry Vickers guns today

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The truth about this whole situation is probably a lot less sexy than we’re giving it credit for.

He probably knew he had cancer and may die, so he needed to start getting his affairs in order. Letting the SOT expire and offloading all the NFA items that were owned under the SOT may have been part of that. But it isn’t easy to sell off hundreds of machine guns at once.

The depressing reality may be that Vickers (and his lawyer) reached out to the ATF and worked out an agreement to surrender everything he wasn’t able to transfer before the SOT expired. That may have been the easiest solution for a guy battling cancer and worried his time was limited.

I know it’s fun and easy to trash the ATF, but if that’s how it all unfolded, then the ATF may have actually done him a favor…
 

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The truth about this whole situation is probably a lot less sexy than we’re giving it credit for.

He probably knew he had cancer and may die, so he needed to start getting his affairs in order. Letting the SOT expire and offloading all the NFA items that were owned under the SOT may have been part of that. But it isn’t easy to sell off hundreds of machine guns at once.

The depressing reality may be that Vickers (and his lawyer) reached out to the ATF and worked out an agreement to surrender everything he wasn’t able to transfer before the SOT expired. That may have been the easiest solution for a guy battling cancer and worried his time was limited.

I know it’s fun and easy to trash the ATF, but if that’s how it all unfolded, then the ATF may have actually done him a favor…

Nobody would give up hundreds of thousands in MGs. He could have easily sold them before that.

Besides when you voluntarily surrender, they are not listed as seized. He also had non MGs seized.

And ammo getting seized? Only one reason for that.
 

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little may he have known our government was going to give the farm away
 

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Nobody would give up hundreds of thousands in MGs. He could have easily sold them before that.

Besides when you voluntarily surrender, they are not listed as seized. He also had non MGs seized.

And ammo getting seized? Only one reason for that.
It’s really not as simple or valuable to sell some machine guns as you might expect. Post-1986 machine guns aren’t worth what pre-86 transferable ones are, and they can only be transferred to certain entities under certain circumstances. He couldn’t just have a yard sale. Check out V-Tach’s earlier posts (#50 in particular) for more on this.

I’m definitely just speculating, but if the ATF showed up with warrants and a SWAT team, kicked the door in, and shot some dogs, I’m sure we would have heard about all this much sooner.
 

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It’s really not as simple or valuable to sell some machine guns as you might expect. Post-1986 machine guns aren’t worth what pre-86 transferable ones are, and they can only be transferred to certain entities under certain circumstances. He couldn’t just have a yard sale. Check out V-Tach’s earlier posts (#50 in particular) for more on this.
Actually it is.

I am an FFL/SOT 07 and could have bought the whole collection. So he could have gotten a lot of money vs nothing. And I am sure lots of other FFL/SOTs would have been interested too, if he offered it up.
 

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Actually it is.

I am an FFL/SOT 07 and could have bought the whole collection. So he could have gotten a lot of money vs nothing. And I am sure lots of other FFL/SOTs would have been interested too, if he offered it up.

Vickers had been selling off Posties on Gunbroker thru an intermediary for the last year or so. I posted a link to one up thread.
 
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