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  • Coyote9

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    Is not ATF’s definition. You talked about semantics, but words mean things. To save everybody the trouble, here’s the definition in 26 USC 5845

    (b) Machinegun.--The term “machinegun” means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.  The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.

    Todd, is this not the definition BATF uses? I agree with you we should all use one definition, the semantics to which I refered are the ones used to argue that FRT is not a single function of the trigger
     

    cycleguy2300

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    Forced reset triggers clearly are on the line between auto and manual fired weapons. I suggest that each person should read the BATF definition of automatic (machine gun) weapons prior to purchasing a FRT system. I am not an attorney, I have read the definition, my interpretation is that a FRT constitutes a fully automatic weapon because a single pull of the trigger causes multiple shots to be fired. People can and get all semantic and re define words (seen a lot of that elsewhere recently) to argue that a FRT is a single shot per pull semi automatic. That's okay by me ,just know the depth of the water your stepping into .
    F* the ATF the horse they rode in on

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    Forced reset triggers clearly are on the line between auto and manual fired weapons. I suggest that each person should read the BATF definition of automatic (machine gun) weapons prior to purchasing a FRT system. I am not an attorney, I have read the definition, my interpretation is that a FRT constitutes a fully automatic weapon because a single pull of the trigger causes multiple shots to be fired. People can and get all semantic and re define words (seen a lot of that elsewhere recently) to argue that a FRT is a single shot per pull semi automatic. That's okay by me ,just know the depth of the water your stepping into .



    and another Shal not be infringed , But
     

    toddnjoyce

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    Todd, is this not the definition BATF uses? I agree with you we should all use one definition, the semantics to which I refered are the ones used to argue that FRT is not a single function of the trigger

    What I quoted is the exact wording of the law ATF has to follow. In the FRT letter to FFLs, ATF specifically used the phrase “single, continuous pull of the trigger” as the basis for their determination of the classification of FRTs as machinegun parts. That semantic discrepancy is the basis for Rare Breed’s lawsuit.

    Add to it the vagueness of ATF’s opening statement in the letter that if “some FRT devices…” are machineguns then ALL FRT devices are now machineguns and you get to what SCOTUS said in W. Va v EPA is unconstitutional, which is an Congress didn’t give ATF the authority to change what the definition of is is.

    ETA: the more I think about it, an FRT’s reset can be overcome if there’s enough pressure applied, so even “single, continuous pull” is really qualified as “within the designed specifications” but outside of those parameters one single, continuous pull does get only one shot.
     
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