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  • rvrcty210

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    I need more information and approximate value on an antique shotgun. This is a Dreyse Sommerda Needle gun shotgun, 16 bore. It is a single bore gun. Most are double barrel sxs.
    I know these are worth a lot. The single barrel is what's getting me, since I have never found a single barrel one. Please see some pics. Any information is greatly appreciated.
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    EZ-E

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    What are the odds... you ended up with this guys gun??????????
    It looks like your sr #2082.

    "It's a single shot needle fire, manufactured appr. 1870.
    Franz von Dreyse (1822 - 1894) was the son of Nicolaus von Dreyse (!787 - 1867), the inventor of the needle-fire rifle. His factory was in Soemmerda near Erfurt, Thuringia, Germany. Now it's a museum."


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    rvrcty210

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    Also this one breaks up, and the barrel doesn't turn out to the side like the double barrel guns do.
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    rvrcty210

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    I got on trade. That may be true in general, but when there is literally NO information or records that this Dreyse was produced, it's a rare gun.

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    TexasRedneck

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    I got on trade. That may be true in general, but when there is literally NO information or records that this Dreyse was produced, it's a rare gun.

    I doubt you'll believe this, but as a long-term firearms collector and being very familiar with older guns, rarity seldom means value. Some things are simply rare because they were a bad idea to begin with. I'd be willing to bet if you got on some of the boards dedicated to antique shotguns, you'd find values ranging from $7-900, at best. And that's presuming there's no repairs to the stock - which can be hard for a novice to ascertain.
    I have firearms dating back to the 1700's - some are fairly valuable, owing mostly to their provenance, while others are nothing more than interesting wall hangers. It sounds to me like you bought a story and are now trying to find why the value is what you think it is. Dangerous way to buy firearms.
     

    rvrcty210

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    I have been on plenty of antique shotgun boards. It's not a knock off. It's is original and great condition.
    I'm really wanting people with expertise and knowledge of Dreyse Sommerda guns to reply. The only thing I can find about a single barrel Dreyse like this was a special made one for a high ranking naval officer. I have had people tell me that Dreyse did not even make shotguns with a single barrel, Needle gun, with forward tilting break open lever type shotgun, but I have it and it has all the correct markings and all numbers match.
    If there are any people that know a lot specifically about Dreyse please post and help figure out this shotgun.
    Thanks.

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    Glenn B

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    You seem to think that this shotgun is very rare; yet, you also seem to expect to find someone on this site to be an expert on them; that, seems to me, is being very hopeful.

    You may want to dig further by contacting some sources of information on guns such as the NRA's National Firearms Museum - send them an email to make an inquiry (they also have a page that lists numerous sources of firearms info and tells you how to go about checking on a firearms to determine what it is and its value), the NRA National Sporting Arms Museum at Bass Pro Shops, Rock Island Auction Company, reference books and so forth. If you want to get info about a shotgun via a forum - go to shotgun specific forums and try those.

    You may also want to check under the makers name "Rheinmetall", of Sommerda, Germany, as several other Dreyse guns were manufactured by Rehinmetall according to the Standard Catalog of Firearms. They do not show any shotguns for this company so you may want to check a valuation book that covers shotguns and another that covers antique shotguns (if you think this is an antique firearm) using both the Dreyse and Rheinmetall names when you research further.

    Who knows, you may get lucky and come to find you have a one of a kind but I tend to doubt that since you said the number match implying it is serialized and since you essentially said you found info on one being made for a naval officer.

    Good luck.
     

    Glenn B

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    I'm still looking for members who know about these type of guns, not just generalizers.
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    You evidently are looking to find something on Easy Street that may not be on that block. You may have to travel down Hard Work Alley to find what you want and do the research yourself. If you do decide to do some real research instead of giving a snide reply like the one you made about "generalizers" after my other suggestions, then you may want to try these few other things to do and check. Either you can take it from someone who has researched many firearms on his own before or don't take it and keep hoping to find an expert member who will do your work for you; have it as you may:

    You may want to post some other photographs. Those you have posted are repetitive and very limited in what they show. Show at least one over all of each side, then another 4 or 5 photos of each side in sections; same for top and bottom. Also, take photos of any markings such as serial numbers, patent dates, patent numbers, company names, model number or name, proofmarks, and so on. How do you expect anyone to even guess at exactly what it is when you do not give out enough to go by?

    Is there a patent number and or patent date on the gun? If so, you may also want to search this site, the German Patent & Trademark Office site (yes you do the search - oh my): https://depatisnet.dpma.de/DepatisNet/depatisnet?window=1&space=menu&content=familie&action=recherche I recommend the beginner's search. You can enter things like the patent holder's name, the date of patent (what they call the publication date and note they use the German date format of dd.mm.yyyy), patent number (what they call the publication number) and so on.

    One other site that may be helpful is: http://www.germanhuntingguns.com/ You'd have to search that yourself to see if anything applicable is there for you.

    A book, German Hunting Guns of the Golden Era 1840-1940 (available on Amazon), may or may not be helpful. It is not cheap so if you think of buying it you may want to first contact the seller to ask if it covers Rheinmetall and or Dreyse single barrel shotguns. (Have you noticed I have not been calling it a Dreyse Sommerda - that is because Sommerda is the city or region of manufacture and not the name of the gun.)

    If all that is too generalized for you - tough noogies.
     
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