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  • magock

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    If you received a discharge under conditions "other than honorable," you ordinarily are not eligible for most VA benefits.

    Suppose you served a full period in the military, received good paper such as an honorable discharge, and immediately re-enlisted for a new period of service that ended with bad paper. You will be eligible for disability compensation benefits only for the period of service that ended with an honorable or under honorable conditions discharge. If you were injured during the enlistment period that ended with bad paper, you will not will be eligible for disability compensation.
    an oth is not a bcd or even general discharge. the most consequential action that will occur is a bar to re up. if you have difficulty following orders from SECDEF and POTUS, that has been instituted before (anthrax) then your shit out of luck and best for you to transition out of the service.
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    magock

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    Biden's generals keep their jobs after the fiasco in Afghanistan - and after one colludes with the ChiComs, but he wants dishonorable discharges for anyone who refuses to be part of a medical experiment?

    I should rephrase that; Biden has dementia and doesn't know where he is. Whoever is actually running the Administration - some unelected, unaccountable, unseen, and unnamed person or group - is doing this.

    This is infuriating.
    who's bidens generals? gen milley? all of those generals have probably been serving for 30 yrs.
     

    magock

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    Could refuse Article 15 and request SCM. Take the chance of getting a BCD, though. On the other hand a trial is required. If JAG gets enough of them they may bargain the admin characterization to honorable conditions to avoid a zillion trials.
    sure. quite possible. but the case is pretty solid considering there is precedent in the past with mandatory vax.
     

    ScottDLS

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    an oth is not a bcd or even general discharge. the most consequential action that will occur is a bar to re up. if you have difficulty following orders from SECDEF and POTUS, that has been instituted before (anthrax) then your shit out of luck and best for you to transition out of the service.
    Incorrect. An OTH is a characterization of a general discharge. It is not punitive, but it bars most VA benefits.
     

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    You guys have short memories...this isn't anything new!

    From that article:
    In 2004, a court injunction halted the military’s mandatory vaccination program, declaring the previous six years of vaccine administration to be illegal.

    they dont really elaborate any further than that
     

    toddnjoyce

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    Happy I got out when I did.

    The people who were in and refused the anthrax vaccine got court martialed or got a BCD?

    You gotta get courtmartialed to get a BCD or a dishonorable. Anthrax refusers got everything from no punishment to NJP to court martial with BCD and at least one got a Dishonorable. Some history below.

     

    magock

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    From that article:
    In 2004, a court injunction halted the military’s mandatory vaccination program, declaring the previous six years of vaccine administration to be illegal.

    they dont really elaborate any further than that
    I've never seen one person "opt" out of any vaccine for your yearly PHA. unless you have a true longtime fitting religious view like mormon or Sikh, there's no place for this in our ranks.
     

    magock

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    You gotta get courtmartialed to get a BCD or a dishonorable. Anthrax refusers got everything from no punishment to NJP to court martial with BCD and at least one got a Dishonorable. Some history below.

    they'll hit someone with a dd, prob for furnishing fake vaccine cards and distribution of them
     

    toddnjoyce

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    they'll hit someone with a dd, prob for furnishing fake vaccine cards and distribution of them

    No, probably for Art 92., Failure to Obey Order or Regulation, just like with Anthrax. From the MCM:

    Maximum punishment.
    (1) Violation or failure to obey lawful general order or regulation. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 2 years.
    (2) Violation of failure to obey other lawful order. Bad-conduct discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 6 months.
     

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    @majormadmax nailed it with post #8. But don't let that stop you from yelling FJB for 7 pages. Who was Commander in Chief back then?
    @ScottDLS is right on the money, by and large.
    I was forced to get 3 out 5 of the Anthrax series. Those who outright refused were given OTH's, administrative I believe.
    There were a few who got medical exemptions, if the could prove a history of Psoriasis or Sever Acne, which is kinda hard to do when you are in the middle of the Persian Gulf.
    Also as @magock said, when you sign on the dotted line, your ass is theirs. I don't understand why that is so hard to comprehend.
     

    45tex

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    I can say that I was part of their live vax screwup in the 70's. They never required me to take another flu shot. They would ask I'd say no and that was that
    Also it should be noted that the Anthrax vax was a fully vetted approved drug, not the pretend rona vax of today.
    Until then I think our serving heroes of today have a case.
    My military lawyer, on a different matter, told me once to never forget, Military Law is Law like Military Music is music.
     

    MTA

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    I've never seen one person "opt" out of any vaccine for your yearly PHA. unless you have a true longtime fitting religious view like mormon or Sikh, there's no place for this in our ranks.
    Theres alot of things going on that have no place in our ranks today
     

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    This is the way that military members should be treated; honorably and fairly... from the article

    "Any active-duty Navy service members who do not get fully vaccinated or do not have an approved or pending exemption will be processed for an honorable separation without involuntary separation, according to NAVADMIN 225/21, released by Vice Chief of Naval Operations Adm. William Lescher and Chief of Naval Personnel Vice Adm. John Nowell."
     

    Sasquatch

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    I don't know but I rem having mandatory jabs for all kinds of stuff due to where I was going. So what's the diff?

    The diff is this is a giant experimental mess which we don't have any idea of the long term effects about. Everyone getting it is part of the clinical trial.

    While the military has not shied away from giving people experimental vaccines - I got one for pneumonia and wound up hospitalized with - you guess it, pneumonia - there is a LOT of push back against these vaccines and their mandates.
     
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