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  • Axxe55

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    The five most basic rules of gun safety. Even us old-timers may need to be refreshed occasionally.

    1) Treat every gun as if it were loaded. Never assume a gun us empty. Check it, and verify that it is indeed empty.

    2) Always point your gun in a safe direction. Know where at all times where the muzzle is pointed. Don't sweep people with the muzzle.

    3) Never point your gun at anything you don't intend to shoot. If you have no intentions of shooting what you're pointing at, then just don't point the gun at it. Very simple.

    4) Keep your finger off the trigger until your ready to shoot. This one is why guns go off "accidentally" and guns get the blame. Also learn to keep other items from engaging the firearm's trigger. Fingers are not the only thing that can engage a trigger and make the firearm discharge.

    5) Be sure of your target and what's beyond. This can also interact with rules #2 and #3. Know your field of fire. Know what's beyond it if you fire. Know the range of the firearms you are shooting. have safe backstops.
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    Frank59

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    The five most basic rules of gun safety. Even us old-timers may need to be refreshed occasionally.

    1) Treat every gun as if it were loaded. Never assume a gun us empty. Check it, and verify that it is indeed empty.

    2) Always point your gun in a safe direction. Know where at all times where the muzzle is pointed. Don't sweep people with the muzzle.

    3) Never point your gun at anything you don't intend to shoot. If you have no intentions of shooting what you're pointing at, then just don't point the gun at it. Very simple.

    4) Keep your finger off the trigger until your ready to shoot. This one is why guns go off "accidentally" and guns get the blame. Also learn to keep other items from engaging the firearm's trigger. Fingers are not the only thing that can engage a trigger and make the firearm discharge.

    5) Be sure of your target and what's beyond. This can also interact with rules #2 and #3. Know your field of fire. Know what's beyond it if you fire. Know the range of the firearms you are shooting. have safe backstops.
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    GoPappy

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    D-Holliday, look at the Sig P365 with manual safety. It might just be what you’re looking for. It’s a striker fired pistol with an external manual safety like a 1911.

    My preference in a carry gun is either a manual safety or a DA/SA with a decocker.
     

    DoubleDuty

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    The five most basic rules of gun safety. Even us old-timers may need to be refreshed occasionally.

    1) Treat every gun as if it were loaded. Never assume a gun us empty. Check it, and verify that it is indeed empty.

    2) Always point your gun in a safe direction. Know where at all times where the muzzle is pointed. Don't sweep people with the muzzle.

    3) Never point your gun at anything you don't intend to shoot. If you have no intentions of shooting what you're pointing at, then just don't point the gun at it. Very simple.

    4) Keep your finger off the trigger until your ready to shoot. This one is why guns go off "accidentally" and guns get the blame. Also learn to keep other items from engaging the firearm's trigger. Fingers are not the only thing that can engage a trigger and make the firearm discharge.

    5) Be sure of your target and what's beyond. This can also interact with rules #2 and #3. Know your field of fire. Know what's beyond it if you fire. Know the range of the firearms you are shooting. have safe backstops.
    Of course. Everyone should remind themselves of that everyday.
     

    Pops1955

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    Most gun owners really detest the phrases "accidental discharge" or "accidental shooting" simply because they place the blame on an inanimate object as being the culprit. The correct term is negligent shooting or discharge, and puts the blame on the operator of the firearm where it belongs.

    Don't misunderstand and think I'm saying there is no such thing as an accidental discharge or shooting because there are, but IMO, they are very rare. Any mechanical device with moving parts can fail. That is a fact of life. Any mechanical device can have a defect or defective parts. Those are facts of life. But for the most part, accidental discharges or shootings are very rare. Guns are designed to fire with human interaction. Unless a person fulls the trigger, or allows something to interact with the trigger, guns don't fire. The safety is irrelevant.

    I tend to group people that have negligent discharges into three groups for the most part. First group are pretty much the noobs and those just learning about guns. Much due to inexperience and lack of knowledge of guns in general and just don't know any different and haven't learned yet. Many of us older shooters who have been around guns for many years, learned when we were very young from our fathers, grandfathers and uncles and such.

    Second group are the older shooters who have been around guns for many years, and even know and practice proper gun safety, or so we think we are. It happens to us because we get complacent from handling guns on very regular basis. Sometimes we tend to forget the basic rules of gun safety. It does happen. It has happened even to myself. And when it happens, it's an eyeopener for sure.

    The third group are those that know, and just don't care. They tend to think they know everything and they are immune to bad things happening to them. They are IMO the most dangerous type of person with a gun to be around. Avoid these idiots like the plague. They have no respect for guns and it shows.

    Learn the first most basic rules of gun safety, and you can handle any firearm ever made.

    I fall into group 2. I have had 1 ND in my whole life, about 9 years ago. Cleaning several guns after a family day at the range. Walther PPK/S. De-cocker Safety. Tired and distracted and put a round into the wall. NO ONES FAULT BUT MINE. Got complacent. Kept the casing. It sits on top of my gun safe. Reminds me every time I gear up NOT to become complacent again. Scared the ever lovin' crap out of me.
     

    Seven7VII

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    I fall into group 2. I have had 1 ND in my whole life, about 9 years ago. Cleaning several guns after a family day at the range. Walther PPK/S. De-cocker Safety. Tired and distracted and put a round into the wall. NO ONES FAULT BUT MINE. Got complacent. Kept the casing. It sits on top of my gun safe. Reminds me every time I gear up NOT to become complacent again. Scared the ever lovin' crap out of me.
    Glad that nobody got hurt
     

    Axxe55

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    Just my pride and undies.

    I would hazard a guess, that a negligent discharge has probably happened to more gun owners than will ever admit that it has happened to them!

    I have had one many years ago. 22lr went through the roof when I was fixing to start cleaning it. Took the magazine out, didn't verify the chamber was empty. closed the bolt and pulled the trigger!

    And if admitting our complacency or our mistakes, keeps someone else from getting hurt or killed, I'm totally cool with that.
     

    SQLGeek

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    I carry with the chamber empty. I don't even have a magazine in the gun. If I need to deploy my firearm, I simply perform a tactical roll away from danger and into cove. Then I can draw my magazine, drop it on the ground, pick it up again, slam it home, forget to chamber a round and then run away in terror when my gun doesn't work.

    Carry a gun with a safety or don't. Train with it and engage the biggest safety you have, the space between your ears.
     

    dtschirh

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    Moving back to the original question of S&W Shield EZ with or without manual thumb safety.

    My experience with daily carry is to keep the manual of arms simple. The more complicated the process to unholster and deploy a firearm for defensive use, the greater the chance of failure. Not that the firearm will fail, but that stress of the situation will result in failure.

    The EZ is safe to carry with round chambered in a proper holster.

    Yes, SNAFU can be overcome with training, but the average citizen doesn’t seek training beyond CCW classes.

    Standing at a static line and slow pressing shots at a range does not replicate the necessity of rapid upholstering and putting rounds on target in stressful situations. Most ranges don’t teach or allow working from a holster or movement.

    Regardless of what “system” you choose, be consistent and train.


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