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  • Texas42

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    "No worse"? It's already known to be far FAR less deadly than the flu.

    I haven’t seen the flu go through an entire nursing home and kill 3-5 people and have dozens people hospitalized for a week or longer.

    Does it kill 1% of all people? No. Does being young make you immune? No. Just a lot less likely to die.

    Even if you have bad influenza season, the mortality rates are usually <100k person. I wouldn’t be surprised if the reported numbers top 300k for COVID-19.

    NYC frankly had largely under-reported numbers. Testing was a lot more restrictive then than now. Their healthcare system was borderline to begin with. Houston, has a lot of good hospitals, but people don’t realize how full large hospitals stays most of the time. This is because sick people are funneled to tertiary centers. Lots of those smaller hospitals have beds and ICU beds, but their acuity is really low.

    All that to say, that I think we should be taking precautions. I don’t see how wearing a mask hurts anyone. Washing hands and avoiding contact with people that is unnecessary. I don’t feel we need to shut down the economy.

    People compare it the the flu because people are comfortable with the flu. Influenza is a deadly disease that kills tens of thousands of Americans a years. Hundreds of them kids and healthy people. COVID 19 has killed a couple hundred thousand people. Our cases are going up, but the death rate hasn’t. I feel it I because the increase in cases is largely young people. Also, the healthcare systems of Texas and Arizona are much better than NY. Testing is better now, and probably we can agree that some steroids does improve mortality rates. Remdesivir is a maybe, but there is a shortage so I doubt it will make much effect. I think the death will eventually come up and it is just lagging until the older populations get it from the younger ones who are out and about.
     

    ZX9RCAM

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    Something just struck me.
    I've probably been overly cautious about the coronavirus, but then just thought, I haven't had a flu shot in probably 15 years, and not taken any precautions during "flu season", and not gotten the flu either.
    Do I really need to be so careful....



    ETA: Sorry, just rambling.
     

    jrbfishn

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    I haven’t seen the flu go through an entire nursing home and kill 3-5 people and have dozens people hospitalized for a week or longer.

    Does it kill 1% of all people? No. Does being young make you immune? No. Just a lot less likely to die.

    Even if you have bad influenza season, the mortality rates are usually <100k person. I wouldn’t be surprised if the reported numbers top 300k for COVID-19.

    NYC frankly had largely under-reported numbers. Testing was a lot more restrictive then than now. Their healthcare system was borderline to begin with. Houston, has a lot of good hospitals, but people don’t realize how full large hospitals stays most of the time. This is because sick people are funneled to tertiary centers. Lots of those smaller hospitals have beds and ICU beds, but their acuity is really low.

    All that to say, that I think we should be taking precautions. I don’t see how wearing a mask hurts anyone. Washing hands and avoiding contact with people that is unnecessary. I don’t feel we need to shut down the economy.

    People compare it the the flu because people are comfortable with the flu. Influenza is a deadly disease that kills tens of thousands of Americans a years. Hundreds of them kids and healthy people. COVID 19 has killed a couple hundred thousand people. Our cases are going up, but the death rate hasn’t. I feel it I because the increase in cases is largely young people. Also, the healthcare systems of Texas and Arizona are much better than NY. Testing is better now, and probably we can agree that some steroids does improve mortality rates. Remdesivir is a maybe, but there is a shortage so I doubt it will make much effect. I think the death will eventually come up and it is just lagging until the older populations get it from the younger ones who are out and about.
    If the Government and Public Health System was being TOTALLY honest, we probably wouldn't have any problem with these " public health orders". The trouble is, they are not and not even hiding it.
    They knew who it would most likely kill before it got here. And most places did little or nothing to protect the elderly.
    The fatality rate has been artificially inflated to include anyone with covid but asymptomatic as a covid fatality;
    Heart attack with-covid
    Car fatality with-covid
    Get shot with-covid, but they will still arrest the shooter and charge them with murder. Not sure how you die of two causes at once, but ok.....

    At least half the so called fatalities could have been prevented or are not covid fatalities at all.

    So please forgive some of us skeptics.


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    deemus

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    Hoji

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    I was actually glad HKS was back in this thread. Absolutely he comes off a little arrogant sometimes but it’s nice to see opposing opinions, as personally wrong as I may think they are. I have no idea what the straw was but I honestly look forward to reading his incorrectly biased opinions again. Flame on.

    I actually have not ignored him, though a few times I’ve considered doing so.

    Something, something, Sun Tzu.
    I would just as soon see that avowed communist fuckstain be gone for good.
    Never forget, he voted to have the majority of us here made felons at best, boxcar occupants at the endgame. He did this in the last 3 presidential elections and bragged about it.
     

    oldag

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    I haven’t seen the flu go through an entire nursing home and kill 3-5 people and have dozens people hospitalized for a week or longer.

    Does it kill 1% of all people? No. Does being young make you immune? No. Just a lot less likely to die.

    Even if you have bad influenza season, the mortality rates are usually <100k person. I wouldn’t be surprised if the reported numbers top 300k for COVID-19.

    NYC frankly had largely under-reported numbers. Testing was a lot more restrictive then than now. Their healthcare system was borderline to begin with. Houston, has a lot of good hospitals, but people don’t realize how full large hospitals stays most of the time. This is because sick people are funneled to tertiary centers. Lots of those smaller hospitals have beds and ICU beds, but their acuity is really low.

    All that to say, that I think we should be taking precautions. I don’t see how wearing a mask hurts anyone. Washing hands and avoiding contact with people that is unnecessary. I don’t feel we need to shut down the economy.

    People compare it the the flu because people are comfortable with the flu. Influenza is a deadly disease that kills tens of thousands of Americans a years. Hundreds of them kids and healthy people. COVID 19 has killed a couple hundred thousand people. Our cases are going up, but the death rate hasn’t. I feel it I because the increase in cases is largely young people. Also, the healthcare systems of Texas and Arizona are much better than NY. Testing is better now, and probably we can agree that some steroids does improve mortality rates. Remdesivir is a maybe, but there is a shortage so I doubt it will make much effect. I think the death will eventually come up and it is just lagging until the older populations get it from the younger ones who are out and about.

    Sad fact is that millions of people die every year from various causes. We live in an imperfect world.

    But we don't destroy lives, livelihoods and the economy trying to avoid every single death. At least not until now.

    The virus is not killing 1% of those infected.
     

    MacZC7

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    I believe the fatality ratio will continue to drop the more that are tested. And in the end, we will have yet another confirmation that the virus is no worse than the flu.
    Influenza and pneumonia deaths are down...I wonder why?
    I haven’t seen the flu go through an entire nursing home and kill 3-5 people and have dozens people hospitalized for a week or longer.

    Does it kill 1% of all people? No. Does being young make you immune? No. Just a lot less likely to die.

    Even if you have bad influenza season, the mortality rates are usually <100k person. I wouldn’t be surprised if the reported numbers top 300k for COVID-19.

    NYC frankly had largely under-reported numbers. Testing was a lot more restrictive then than now. Their healthcare system was borderline to begin with. Houston, has a lot of good hospitals, but people don’t realize how full large hospitals stays most of the time. This is because sick people are funneled to tertiary centers. Lots of those smaller hospitals have beds and ICU beds, but their acuity is really low.

    All that to say, that I think we should be taking precautions. I don’t see how wearing a mask hurts anyone. Washing hands and avoiding contact with people that is unnecessary. I don’t feel we need to shut down the economy.

    People compare it the the flu because people are comfortable with the flu. Influenza is a deadly disease that kills tens of thousands of Americans a years. Hundreds of them kids and healthy people. COVID 19 has killed a couple hundred thousand people. Our cases are going up, but the death rate hasn’t. I feel it I because the increase in cases is largely young people. Also, the healthcare systems of Texas and Arizona are much better than NY. Testing is better now, and probably we can agree that some steroids does improve mortality rates. Remdesivir is a maybe, but there is a shortage so I doubt it will make much effect. I think the death will eventually come up and it is just lagging until the older populations get it from the younger ones who are out and about.
    You are basing your opinion off of CDC, WHO, Fauci etc who are all full of shit and have proven to be very inconsistent for being “medical and health professionals”. If I was that bad at my job I would have been fired years ago.
    Common sense will get you further than watching the news and social media.
    Think for yourself, don’t let people who line their pockets with filthy money pursuade your judgement. And yes, a mask is not healthy and if I choose not to wear one I won’t and I will not tolerate anyone pulling me aside to chastise me or give me the “do you want people to die” BS.
    It’s not rocket science...this is a power grab.
     

    F350-6

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    Hmmm. I am thinking that if he gets re-elected we will be back to rioting and looting US-wide.

    I think they've back themselves into a corner there already. You can't demand social distancing and masks and no mass gatherings, and still allow the protests. And the places that are defunding the police will have problems no matter who wins.

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    Deaths per each day divided by new cases per each day. Note the trend line. From March 26 through July 11.


    Now deaths by age:
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    Looks like age discrimination for those of us over 50. Pretty sure that's agains the law in the US. Someone should tell Corona.
     

    kbaxter60

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    I haven’t seen the flu go through an entire nursing home and kill 3-5 people and have dozens people hospitalized for a week or longer.

    Does it kill 1% of all people? No. Does being young make you immune? No. Just a lot less likely to die.

    Even if you have bad influenza season, the mortality rates are usually <100k person. I wouldn’t be surprised if the reported numbers top 300k for COVID-19.

    NYC frankly had largely under-reported numbers. Testing was a lot more restrictive then than now. Their healthcare system was borderline to begin with. Houston, has a lot of good hospitals, but people don’t realize how full large hospitals stays most of the time. This is because sick people are funneled to tertiary centers. Lots of those smaller hospitals have beds and ICU beds, but their acuity is really low.

    All that to say, that I think we should be taking precautions. I don’t see how wearing a mask hurts anyone. Washing hands and avoiding contact with people that is unnecessary. I don’t feel we need to shut down the economy.

    People compare it the the flu because people are comfortable with the flu. Influenza is a deadly disease that kills tens of thousands of Americans a years. Hundreds of them kids and healthy people. COVID 19 has killed a couple hundred thousand people. Our cases are going up, but the death rate hasn’t. I feel it I because the increase in cases is largely young people. Also, the healthcare systems of Texas and Arizona are much better than NY. Testing is better now, and probably we can agree that some steroids does improve mortality rates. Remdesivir is a maybe, but there is a shortage so I doubt it will make much effect. I think the death will eventually come up and it is just lagging until the older populations get it from the younger ones who are out and about.
    I think I have seen this movie.
    Return of HKS
     

    toddnjoyce

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    ...All that to say, that I think we should be taking precautions. I don’t see how wearing a mask hurts anyone. ...
    Wearing a mask doesn’t hurt most people. Here’s the cognitive disconnect. Voluntary vs compulsory, where compulsory occurred outside of the legislative process. Where the officials are making it a criminal act to disobey, yet failed to do nothing when it came to violent criminal behavior just six short weeks ago.

    Did you champion and applaud Abbot when he closed your facility to anything but COVID patients back in March/April? How about if he dropped those same restrictions right back on your facility and criminalized any provider who violated the order?

    Same concept.
     

    Younggun

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    I think I have seen this movie.
    Return of HKS

    Pretty much a sequel! And just about everyone knows the sequel is never as good at the original. But, in this case, the original was pretty crappy to begin with!


    Texas42 has been here for a long time. He has a different opinion and answers questions honestly.

    The fact that you disagree with him doesn’t make him and arrogant egotistical piece of shit. Sometimes people disagree and I hope we are grown up enough to handle that.


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    Vaquero

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    Had lunch today with the same group we've been breaking bread with for the last couple of months. Got a call later.
    One of the attendees was at a gathering yesterday that included an individual who just today received notification that they had tested positive.
    I'll sleep well tonight. Probably at least a thousand more nights to follow.

    If me or any of this group fall ill,
    I'll rustle me up a hearty helping of crow.

    Plandemic be damned. We gather and worship.
     

    Vaquero

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    Texas42 has been here for a long time. He has a different opinion and answers questions honestly.

    The fact that you disagree with him doesn’t make him and arrogant egotistical piece of shit. Sometimes people disagree and I hope we are grown up enough to handle that.


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    I gotta "ditto" this.
    We're seeing "fake news feeds".
    Texas42 is somewhere in the mix. But he's seeing a mix of personal observation and corporate buzzfeed.

    I'm obliged to regard his posts.
    I also regard the info from my relatives in the healthcare "industry".
    Lot's of conflict. Too much conflict.
     

    Axxe55

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    Texas42 has been here for a long time. He has a different opinion and answers questions honestly.

    The fact that you disagree with him doesn’t make him and arrogant egotistical piece of shit. Sometimes people disagree and I hope we are grown up enough to handle that.


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    Respectfully, I think he's a money grabbing quack. That is just a personal opinion and observations based on his posts in regards to me. Start with my post #1549 on this thread, then his first post in reply post #1553.

    He's just HKS Lite! I wouldn't let either one of them to ever practice medicine on me.

    Everyone is entitled to their opinions. These are simply mine, and mine alone.
     

    kbaxter60

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    Texas42 has been here for a long time. He has a different opinion and answers questions honestly.

    The fact that you disagree with him doesn’t make him and arrogant egotistical piece of shit. Sometimes people disagree and I hope we are grown up enough to handle that.
    I will take all you said as complete and total fact. You will have to forgive me, but I am weary of "medical experts" who do nothing but try to spread doom and gloom. I don't trust them. I also don't trust ANY of the numbers we can access. I have stated before that once this is "over" we will have the impossible job of sorting out what the actual damage has been. It's got a lot of fiction. Every sickness is Covid now; there is no real science behind it. I will refrain from further comments on his posts, but that is honestly what the tone reminded me of.

    Hill Country Doubter out!
     

    mnpshooter

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    I will take all you said as complete and total fact. You will have to forgive me, but I am weary of "medical experts" who do nothing but try to spread doom and gloom. I don't trust them. I also don't trust ANY of the numbers we can access. I have stated before that once this is "over" we will have the impossible job of sorting out what the actual damage has been. It's got a lot of fiction. Every sickness is Covid now; there is no real science behind it. I will refrain from further comments on his posts, but that is honestly what the tone reminded me of.

    Hill Country Doubter out!
    We will be able to see exactly how the numbers have been manipulated early next year. The CDC releases the previous years cause of death numbers around February/March. We will be able to compare numbers for flu, pneumonia, and other causes of deaths to previous years. If there’s a big drop in any of the numbers from the yearly average we will know they were added to the CCP virus numbers. It will also be interesting to see the total number of deaths from all causes. If CCP virus was a big deal then that number should be noticeably higher than average of past years.
     
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