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  • F350-6

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    Can't he just go home and get away from those MF's?

    Until they get the bloodwork stabilized, no. He really is too weak to move around on his own, and he's had a cognitive decline. All of the sympoms match the blood test results though, so the hormone thing needs to get straightened out so he can return to normal. We've got other doctors consulting in with the ones treating him now, so hopefully things turn around.
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    Axxe55

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    Doctors are humans. Some are great, some are okay and some are lousy.

    Use your own intellect. Research. Use common sense. If something doesn't smell right, see another doc. Raise cain if you have to.

    But not all docs are bad. Some are pretty darn good.

    I totally agree. In no way am I saying everyone in the medical profession are shoddy, or greedy, but there are enough that a person needs to do their due diligence when dealing with them. This may very well be your life we are talking about.

    I have had some really good doctors that more than made up for the bad actors. And my message is more about awareness that people need to see this.
     

    TX OMFS

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    Now the eye doc wants to know your blood pressure and if you have had the flu shot.

    I asked what the heck this has to do with getting your eyes checked. "Government requirement". Well, sorry - NOYB.

    Government overreach everywhere.

    If we expect the government pay for our healthcare we shouldn't be surprised when they mandate health questions. Government healthcare is government overreach.
     

    TX OMFS

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    And Doctors wonder why people don't trust them, and people are flocking to the Internet for answers. Y'all did this shit to yourselves, suck it up fuckers.
    Um, actually we did it to ourselves by expecting the government or "insurance" to pay for everything. When you turn over responsibility other people get to make the rules.

    In my clinic everyone pays a low, published price. No third parties and therefore no irrelevant questions.
     

    benenglish

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    it takes one hell of man to put his personal life on for everyone to see
    Wow. I really didn't mean to do that. I guess I got carried away, huh? :)

    I've also completely failed in my promise to keep this thread on-topic via ruthless moderation. For that, I apologize to everyone.

    Time for me to go lie down. See y'all tomorrow.
     

    Brains

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    I'll throw a buzzword in here. The problems with medical practice are systemic.

    EVERY instance we've dealt with the medical industry, there's been billing issues. Not one clean bill, ever.

    Charges for drugs supposedly administered during a labor and delivery that don't in any way apply (and would severely harm the baby including through lactation). Removed as a 'clerical error.'

    Fucking up a blood test for my son, saying he was A+. That's impossible. I'm O- and wife is A-. Had the audacity to argue with me, then lie and say "well it's possible for those types to create an A+" Really stupid? Run the test again. Oh, he's A- you say? Amazing. Take your screwup off the bill (only $18, but still).

    Several instances of double exorbitant charges for common drugs (ibuprofen). Sorry beyatch, I counted 'em and kept track, here's the proof. Oh really? Oops, another 'clerical error.' Not to mention, shouldn't the cost kinda fall under price fixing laws? Yeah I know, they have loopholes.

    How about the simple fact you can't even get an itemized bill without threats?

    How about the simple fact they bill stupid amounts, but accept a mere fraction from the ins. co.?

    How about the simple fact you can't just ask for costs ahead of time?

    How can a medical practitioner feel good about themselves, about the oath they obviously forgot, by "having a 3 minute conversation" about something they didn't ask for, didn't seek treatment for, and only generically applies to the patient to begin with? Billing someone for bloviating to them about stopping smoking? No shit Sherlock, everyone knows smoking is bad for you. Do you really think smokers need you to bill them to hear it from you just so you can make another buck? That's disrespectful at best, fraud if you really get down to it. When you take your car in for an oil change, would you be OK with a $300 add-on to the bill for a 3 minute instructional chat about how much safer it is to have new wiper vs. old dry rotted sticks?

    I hate to say it, but many now have low trust, low respect, and low expectations of the medical industry. Is there any wonder why? I'm sure there's some good ones, but there's far more bad ones. Damn I'm glad we're a healthy family.
     

    Brains

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    That's a great start and definitely a model to be followed. There is of course the pricing disclaimer, which I do agree with the need for one.

    Price lists are a result of the Trump administrations brand spankin' new legislation, right? Having a price list is great if you know what is going to be required, or if they're willing to detail it ahead of time. Go pull the pricelist CSV from Houston Methodist and marvel at not only the prices, but the clear and concise descriptiveness of the information. You can tell it's a dump of what gets put on the invoices, and it's clear the intent is to be only legally descriptive. That does not help a patient makes informed choices about their care. It's a ruse.
     

    toddnjoyce

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    ...Price lists are a result of the Trump administrations brand spankin' new legislation, right? ...
    Direct pay and concierge models wit up front pricing have been around for quite a few years now, but I’m pretty certain there’s not a single primary hospital using that model.

    I have several friends in the helicopter EMS business. You think hospitals are systemically broken when it comes to charges, the HEMS segment specifically and the entire aeromedical Evac industry in general is even worse. You don’t even get to choose whether or not that’s how you’re going to be transported and the billing isn’t generally covered under any health insurance unlike ground EMS trips.
     

    TX OMFS

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    That's a great start and definitely a model to be followed. There is of course the pricing disclaimer, which I do agree with the need for one.

    Price lists are a result of the Trump administrations brand spankin' new legislation, right?

    Yes, there is now a law about it that will be meaningless. There will be smoke, mirrors, & loopholes. Even if they did post accurate lists it won't matter unless if you want to use insurance. Insurance companies screw around with bills as much or more than hospitals.

    The Surgery Center of OK has been doing this for 20 years without gubermint instruction.

    Texas Freemarket Surgery is doing it.
    https://texasfreemarketsurgery.com/

    Green Imaging is doing it.
    https://greenimaging.net/

    Many others are doing it if you look.
     

    Fishkiller

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    Direct pay and concierge models wit up front pricing have been around for quite a few years now, but I’m pretty certain there’s not a single primary hospital using that model.

    I have several friends in the helicopter EMS business. You think hospitals are systemically broken when it comes to charges, the HEMS segment specifically and the entire aeromedical Evac industry in general is even worse. You don’t even get to choose whether or not that’s how you’re going to be transported and the billing isn’t generally covered under any health insurance unlike ground EMS trips.
    Whenever someone here in the big town has a major problem they get airlifted to San Antonio. Heart problems, major surgeries etc. Hence the wife and I got helicopter insurance, which is what the FIL had when he had his stroke and they airlifted him. Saved them about $30k..
     
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