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  • toddnjoyce

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    Well i don't need to wear 2 sets of earplugs lol. After some REALLY quick researching & without actually askin anyone besides Google, I'm thinkin I'll at least look into a 9mm AR. Ammo is cheaper & I already have 2 Taurus 9mm so can can just use what I have till I can grab more. Any objections to 9mm AR for home defense with the right ammo?

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    Let’s try give you some focus.

    Q1: Is home an apartment/townhouse/condo, etc. or a standalone dwelling?

    Q2: Do you have a reason to be concerned about a home invasion?

    Q3: Any kids or significant other?

    Q4: What is your budget for the weapon and, say, 100rds of ammunition to get you zero’d, familiar, and a magazine or two?
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    lonestardiver

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    No. Any AR-15 pattern lower will accept an AR-15 pattern upper chambered in 300BLK

    This...but note that some of the subsonic/heavier 300BLK bullets have a profile that does not work well in a standard 556 magazine, the 220gr round nose is a good example. The ribs internal to the magazine push the bullet in towards the center and causes feeding issues. Lancer makes a 300BLK magazine that addresses the issue.

    The lighter rounds in 300BLK don’t seem to have a problem in the 556 mags.

    As a note, subsonic 300BLK with a can is very quiet and a lot of fun. Reloading is cheap using H110 and Sierra 220gr round nose bullets.
     

    Weasel2255

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    Let’s try give you some focus.

    Q1: Is home an apartment/townhouse/condo, etc. or a standalone dwelling?

    Q2: Do you have a reason to be concerned about a home invasion?

    Q3: Any kids or significant other?

    Q4: What is your budget for the weapon and, say, 100rds of ammunition to get you zero’d, familiar, and a magazine or two?
    A1: House, in a subdivision

    A2: Hope I'm just over prepping but I think we should all at least consider the possibility eventually tbh, just depends on by who lol. Won't get into all the specifics in this chat tho lol

    A3: Wife, 20yr daughter, 17yr son, 3yr gbaby

    A4: Would like to stay around $800 but I know that's almost impossible right now

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    Weasel2255

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    Grabagun has $700 ar pistols.
    Of course the trick trigger will be additional monies
    Thinkin I can wait on the trigger, it's not a deal breaker for me. Really just want something with a lil betr range than what i have, which is 2 Taurus 9mm (me & wife) & a Mossberg 12 guage that takes 8 shells. Eventually I wanna get her an AR as well, but small steps lol

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    A1: House, in a subdivision

    A2: Hope I'm just over prepping but I think we should all at least consider the possibility eventually tbh, just depends on by who lol. Won't get into all the specifics in this chat tho lol

    A3: Wife, 20yr daughter, 17yr son, 3yr gbaby

    A4: Would like to stay around $800 but I know that's almost impossible right now

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    Generically speaking an AR pistol is going to be more compact than a carbine and give you the real estate to put a weapon mounted light on it.

    It’s also easier to open a door with the AR pistol in the ready position than with a carbine. Neither are as easy as with a true handgun.

    With an AR pistol, a brace will enable a more traditional shouldering of the firearm, without the brace, you’re looking at a sling for stability and you’re pushing the firearm away from you instead of shouldering. I’d recommend some training to get the basics down because it’s that different from a handgun.

    I prefer 300BLK in a 9-10.5” barrel for an AR pistol. After that, it’s 5.56 in a 10.5” before going to a pistol caliber carbine or AR pistol. If you’re worried about over penetration or barriers, 9mm is going to be more of a concern than 5.56 or BLK, ammo choice is going to help with that.

    For your budget, again PSA or Ruger AR pistol would be in the ballpark. Some examples:

    In stock ready to go in your budget: https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa...7-lightweight-m-lok-moe-shockwave-pistol.html

    Here’s an upper + builder kit in 300BLK for $499
    https://palmettostatearmory.com/ar-...ti=.300+AAC+Blackout&upper_barrel_length=8.5"

    And a variety of stripped lowers from $69, though I exclusively use AeroPrecison lowered which are $20-30 higher.
    https://palmettostatearmory.com/ar-15/lowers/stripped-lowers.html
     

    lightflyer1

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    AR15 pistol with folding stock.
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    AR9 with echo binary trigger and silencer and 5" barrel
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    With 50 round drum mag
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    I would vote for the AR9. Silenced with 147 grain ammo is very nice! Even inside. The AR15 is brutal with its blast from a 10" barrel. You don't really want to be standing next to it when shooting. Behind is the best spot. At the range it will annoy anyone to your sides pretty easily. It isn't something I take to the range often due to the blast concussion from it indoors. Cheap ammo that is readily available is a plus too! I try and stay away from those $1 a round or more, shooters now days. $1 or .16 a round. Your choice.
     

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    toddnjoyce

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    AR15 pistol with folding stock.
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    AR9 with echo binary trigger and silencer and 5" barrel
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    With 50 round drum mag
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    I would vote for the AR9. Silenced with 147 grain ammo is very nice! Even inside. The AR15 is brutal with its blast from a 10" barrel. You don't really want to be standing next to it when shooting. Behind is the best spot. At the range it will annoy anyone to your sides pretty easily. It isn't something I take to the range often due to the blast concussion from it indoors. Cheap ammo that is readily available is a plus too! I try and stay away from those $1 a round or more, shooters now days. $1 or .16 a round. Your choice.

    Good points on the noise and flash/blast. 300 BLK is the lesser of those evils. Honestly I think whatever HD gun being used is best suppressed and if not, a really good flash hider instead of a brake is called for.

    Where are you finding 9mm for 16cpr right now?

    ETA: I absolutely loathe the idea of a binary trigger in a HD gun. Adrenaline is going to be high and it takes a while different level of discipline to not release that trigger once it’s pulled in anger inside a dark room.
     
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    Weasel2255

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    Generically speaking an AR pistol is going to be more compact than a carbine and give you the real estate to put a weapon mounted light on it.

    It’s also easier to open a door with the AR pistol in the ready position than with a carbine. Neither are as easy as with a true handgun.

    With an AR pistol, a brace will enable a more traditional shouldering of the firearm, without the brace, you’re looking at a sling for stability and you’re pushing the firearm away from you instead of shouldering. I’d recommend some training to get the basics down because it’s that different from a handgun.

    I prefer 300BLK in a 9-10.5” barrel for an AR pistol. After that, it’s 5.56 in a 10.5” before going to a pistol caliber carbine or AR pistol. If you’re worried about over penetration or barriers, 9mm is going to be more of a concern than 5.56 or BLK, ammo choice is going to help with that.

    For your budget, again PSA or Ruger AR pistol would be in the ballpark. Some examples:

    In stock ready to go in your budget: https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa...7-lightweight-m-lok-moe-shockwave-pistol.html

    Here’s an upper + builder kit in 300BLK for $499
    https://palmettostatearmory.com/ar-...ti=.300+AAC+Blackout&upper_barrel_length=8.5"

    And a variety of stripped lowers from $69, though I exclusively use AeroPrecison lowered which are $20-30 higher.
    https://palmettostatearmory.com/ar-15/lowers/stripped-lowers.html
    Wow!! Had no idea it could b this affordable. Definitely gonna consider the 300BLK now, just obtaining ammo might be tricky these days lol. Thx a bunch dude!!

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    Weasel2255

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    AR15 pistol with folding stock.
    View attachment 219351

    AR9 with echo binary trigger and silencer and 5" barrel
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    With 50 round drum mag
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    I would vote for the AR9. Silenced with 147 grain ammo is very nice! Even inside. The AR15 is brutal with its blast from a 10" barrel. You don't really want to be standing next to it when shooting. Behind is the best spot. At the range it will annoy anyone to your sides pretty easily. It isn't something I take to the range often due to the blast concussion from it indoors. Cheap ammo that is readily available is a plus too! I try and stay away from those $1 a round or more, shooters now days. $1 or .16 a round. Your choice.
    Now u got me thinkin about an AR9 simply for the wife, smaller chic with a troubled neck & shoulder. Preciate that

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    toddnjoyce

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    Wow!! Had no idea it could b this affordable. Definitely gonna consider the 300BLK now, just obtaining ammo might be tricky these days lol. Thx a bunch dude!!

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    Similar AR9 build kit. You’ll need endo mags or a dedicated glock style lower, which will probably bust your budget.

    https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-gen4-4-9mm-5-lightweight-m-lok-railed-moe-sba3-pistol-kit.html

    Ready to go option, above your budget.

    https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-gen4-4-9mm-1-10-gx-m-lok-moe-ept-pdw-pistol.html
     

    Weasel2255

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    Similar AR9 build kit. You’ll need endo mags or a dedicated glock style lower, which will probably bust your budget.

    https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-gen4-4-9mm-5-lightweight-m-lok-railed-moe-sba3-pistol-kit.html

    Ready to go option, above your budget.

    https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-gen4-4-9mm-1-10-gx-m-lok-moe-ept-pdw-pistol.html
    Well damn, u just kinda pissed in my cheerios lol. What's r endo mags tho & y dedicated clock lower?

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    lonestardiver

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    Well damn, u just kinda pissed in my cheerios lol. What's r endo mags tho & y dedicated clock lower?

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    Endo mags are a conversion to a magpul mag that allows you to run 9mm in a standard ar-15 lower with a 9mm upper.

    Thus a swap of the upper and a mag change you can go from 556 or 300BLK to 9mm or back to either or any other chambering you can run in a standard ar-15 lower.


    https://www.deltateamtactical.com/Delta-Deals-EndoMag-and-Magpul-PMAG-Combo_p_9296.html

    I found if I bought the endo mag conversion and a magpul mag separately it was cheaper than the combo deal...
     

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    9mm or 40sw in blowback hipoint carbine?
    An AR pistol must have no shoulderably stock, be registered as a pistol or other you cannot make a pistol from a 'rifle' lower! 300BO 10" should be min and ammo availability is no worse than any other at this point in time. You can build your own or buy complete. If really for SH/HD can would be nice but in real situation you will be deaf from whatever anyway, for a while. Can just adds $$. I run 170gr cast @ 900 fps, no real recoil. 20 rnds. Is it really needed? Probably NOT. Great for a truck/hog gun, ~5#. My house gun is double stack 40SW. 180gr @ 900 fps. But yes the BO pistol is FUN.
     

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    1st off I need to say that I've never been well versed in gun talk so most abbreviations & slang will prolly sound kinda like Chinese algebra to me. I know, I know... damn rookie lol. I've only ever owned shotguns basically for home defense & never even been a hunter. I'm REALLY behind on prepping for this upcoming "zombie apocalypse" lol.

    Bro-n-law has custom built Sig AR Pistol 300 Blackout with a binary trigger, absolute BEAST. He has about $1,100 altogether in it but now it'll cost closer to around $1,400 as prices have gone up. I'm looking to get something comparable but can really only spend about half that. Also, I can't remember what he about a certain selection to be able to shoot 3 different types of ammo. Any suggestions?

    If you can't get any PSA stuff or it's delayed, I would look at MAS Defense as a back up. I just built a budget pistol from one of their uppers and I'm pretty impressed. Built an Aero lower with a cheap Anderson parts kit.They're easy to do with minimal punches and preferable brass punches. The base pistol was about 625.00 I think. Here's oneof their "in stock" pistol uppers. https://www.masdefense.com/MAS-115N2-MDSQ-10-p/mas-115n2-mdsq-12.htm

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    ETA: I absolutely loathe the idea of a binary trigger in a HD gun. Adrenaline is going to be high and it takes a while different level of discipline to not release that trigger once it’s pulled in anger inside a dark room.

    Excellent point - though I'd venture that for many folks in those circumstances, Fear is a more likely and possibly unpredictable/dangerous overlay than Anger...


    Something like this would be fantastic for use in an HD weapon:
    https://palmettostatearmory.com/gei...sion-ssp-dynamic-flat-bow-trigger-05-483.html

    ETA: after a bit of thought, that SSP might even be too light for some...
     
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    9mm or 40sw in blowback hipoint carbine?
    An AR pistol must have no shoulderably stock, be registered as a pistol or other you cannot make a pistol from a 'rifle' lower! 300BO 10" should be min and ammo availability is no worse than any other at this point in time. You can build your own or buy complete. If really for SH/HD can would be nice but in real situation you will be deaf from whatever anyway, for a while. Can just adds $$. I run 170gr cast @ 900 fps, no real recoil. 20 rnds. Is it really needed? Probably NOT. Great for a truck/hog gun, ~5#. My house gun is double stack 40SW. 180gr @ 900 fps. But yes the BO pistol is FUN.

    Various braces are ATF approved and there currently is no prohibition on shouldering the brace (not that I would worry about such in a self defense situation).
     

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    Excellent point - though I'd venture that for many folks in those circumstances, Fear is a more likely and possibly unpredictable/dangerous overlay than Anger...


    Something like this would be fantastic for use in an HD weapon:
    https://palmettostatearmory.com/gei...sion-ssp-dynamic-flat-bow-trigger-05-483.html

    ETA: after a bit of thought, that SSP might even be too light for some...

    My current favorite setup is a BCM PNT trigger assembly with the purple JP spring set. Yields a crisp ~4lb break.

    I hear the MBT-2S is the cat’s meow, but I haven’t touched one yet. When I run through my current supply of BCMs, I may try it out.

    https://www.larue.com/products/larue-tactical-mbt-2s-trigger/
     
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