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    Dogs/puppies, are very much just like children. They are a product of the environment in whuch they are raised. You control them through love, discipline, nurturing and taking care of them. You correct and discipline them when they do wrong and reward and love them when they do right. You have to be a leader in their lives and teach them.

    Many dog breeds get reputations from some of the types of owners that have them. If a breed of dog, (insert whatever popular large breed dog.) is the choice of thugs, drug dealers, gang-bangers, ex-cons, trailer trash, or whatever less than desirable dregs of society happen to own them, then the dog breed seems to inherit that reputation of being a "bad" dog breed. Some people want to own "dangerous" large dog breeds because they think that the dog gives them an air of being tough and macho.

    I never choose a dog based upon their breed, but I have owned my fair share of so-called "dangerous" dog breeds over the years to include German Shepherds, Dobermans, Rottweilers, pit bulls, wolf hybrids, Mastiffs, ect., ect., The vast majority of the dogs we have owned over the past sixteen years have been dumped along our road near our house, or adopted from the local animal shelter. So a specific dog breed wasn't even a factor in them becoming part of our family.

    My current pit bull, "Bandit" wandered up about five years ago. Someone dumped him out along the road in front of our house. It took about a month before he would let me get close to him. He was already an adult dog, and I could tell he had been abused, or mistreated or possibly neglected. Over the years, we have grown to trust each other. He very seldom barks, and he almost never acts aggressive towards people, or other dogs. But, he is very protective of the wife and I. He has snarled a bit at strangers that got too close to me. When I am outside, the majority of the time he is right beside me.
     

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    This thread has settled it. I'm going to buy a tiger, wolf, rattle snake, great white shark and a kodiak for house pets. I'm glad to know that genetics don't play a role in their temperament. A little TLC and cuddle time and they should be good to go. I'm also a good babysitter if you have any kids.

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    This thread has settled it. I'm going to buy a tiger, wolf, rattle snake, great white shark and a kodiak for house pets. I'm glad to know that genetics don't play a role in their temperament. A little TLC and cuddle time and they should be good to go. I'm also a good babysitter if you have any kids.

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    That is trying to compare apples to oranges. None of those have been domesticated animals. Dogs have been domesticated for centuries. There is a reason they call a dog a"man's best friend" !!!!
     

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    This thread has settled it. I'm going to buy a tiger, wolf, rattle snake, great white shark and a kodiak for house pets. I'm glad to know that genetics don't play a role in their temperament. A little TLC and cuddle time and they should be good to go. I'm also a good babysitter if you have any kids.

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    Sam, I have owned over the years, just about every large breed, so-called "dangerous" breed dog, and have never had any problems with any of them. I agree, many thugs, and "macho" type personality people tend to gravitate towards large breed dogs. This IMO is not a fault of the dog, or a certain dog breed. But the owners of the dogs.

    Dogs are a product of their environment and the owners of the dog. They react or respond in a way to how they were taught, or from the treatment they have received. IMO, 99% of "bad" dogs, have bad owners.
    Pit bulls were/are bred to be fighting dogs; there are no ifs, ands or buts about it. There is a thing called Nurture versus Nature in psychology (yes sometimes, even if only rarely, psychology makes sense and it does in t,his case). Nurture would be the way you bring them up and yes that can and often does have a lot to do with it but not always or at least it is not the only reason Pit Bulls are more likely to attack and maim or kill someone than many other breeds of dogs. Nature is what their genes form them to be and that has a lot to do with it as well if not just as much as nurture. You cannot eliminate either from the equation regarding the entire breed regardless of how wonderful were your own dogs.

    All dogs, to my knowledge, are predators (correct me if any are vegans:roflsmile:). Being predators is in their genes. Fighting traits can also be in their genes and are so by way of nature and selective breeding. The easiest prey for them to attack are young animals (like babies or young children) and the sick and infirm. I would not have a pit bull again if you paid me. Had two of them, one attacked and bit my wife twice - just went berserk with our other dogs first then went at my wife. First time was with our alpha mutt so it was a hierarchy thing; the second was when t suddenly attacked one of our Chihuahuas for no evident reason - my wife witnessed the whole thing. She was also pretty seriously bitten in each of those instances. The pit bull seemed like the calmest and nicest dog in the world and then twice just flipped out. We had it put down.

    Then my once upon a time darling wife decided to get another one. The second one had major issues probably due to it's upbringing mostly but also due to its breed and to health issues (which the rescue hid from us). We returned it to the rescue where we had gotten it. They had sent us a trainer to try to break it of its habit of growling at my mother-in-law and of stalking and charging me while snapping its jaws; I almost shot it one time it did so but was able to command it into submission. The trainer thought he could retrain it but he said the dog was one of the worst he had seen so we opted out. We did not need one of our Chihuahuas killed or my wife, my MIL, or me bitten.

    None of our other dogs, with the exception of a male Chihuahua ever attacked any one. The male Chihuahua bit my daughter's father-in-law twice because he was an asshole that kept getting in the dog's face even after being warned and after being bitten the first time; although, he learned his lesson the second time. That little guy at least gave ample warning he was pissed off and to leave him alone before he bit anyone. He also bit my son, who had to get several stitches in his lower lip. Again he gave ample warning he was pissed but my son kept getting in his face and he finally was bitten. Chihuahuas are known to be another nasty breed that are often aggressive. Now for the most part, he was a nice dog, and that is how he was raised and treated, it took quite the while to get him that way because when we got him he had a bit of an attitude and hated being petted or even touched on his flanks. Yet, even though our loving care calmed him down and he mostly was a lovable guy, and loved me to scratch his flanks, he still had the tendency to be a biter if someone continuously annoyed him although as I said, he gave ample warning. Our other two Chihuahuas were much better tempered than but even one of those was pretty high strung. It is in their genes as much as it is in their care.
     

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    Pit bulls were/are bred to be fighting dogs; there are no ifs, ands or buts about it. There is a thing called Nurture versus Nature in psychology (yes sometimes, even if only rarely, psychology makes sense and it does in t,his case). Nurture would be the way you bring them up and yes that can and often does have a lot to do with it but not always or at least it is not the only reason Pit Bulls are more likely to attack and maim or kill someone than many other breeds of dogs. Nature is what their genes form them to be and that has a lot to do with it as well if not just as much as nurture. You cannot eliminate either from the equation regarding the entire breed regardless of how wonderful were your own dogs.

    All dogs, to my knowledge, are predators (correct me if any are vegans:roflsmile:). Being predators is in their genes. Fighting traits can also be in their genes and are so by way of nature and selective breeding. The easiest prey for them to attack are young animals (like babies or young children) and the sick and infirm. I would not have a pit bull again if you paid me. Had two of them, one attacked and bit my wife twice - just went berserk with our other dogs first then went at my wife. First time was with our alpha mutt so it was a hierarchy thing; the second was when t suddenly attacked one of our Chihuahuas for no evident reason - my wife witnessed the whole thing. She was also pretty seriously bitten in each of those instances. The pit bull seemed like the calmest and nicest dog in the world and then twice just flipped out. We had it put down.

    Then my once upon a time darling wife decided to get another one. The second one had major issues probably due to it's upbringing mostly but also due to its breed and to health issues (which the rescue hid from us). We returned it to the rescue where we had gotten it. They had sent us a trainer to try to break it of its habit of growling at my mother-in-law and of stalking and charging me while snapping its jaws; I almost shot it one time it did so but was able to command it into submission. The trainer thought he could retrain it but he said the dog was one of the worst he had seen so we opted out. We did not need one of our Chihuahuas killed or my wife, my MIL, or me bitten.

    None of our other dogs, with the exception of a male Chihuahua ever attacked any one. The male Chihuahua bit my daughter's father-in-law twice because he was an ******* that kept getting in the dog's face even after being warned and after being bitten the first time; although, he learned his lesson the second time. That little guy at least gave ample warning he was pissed off and to leave him alone before he bit anyone. He also bit my son, who had to get several stitches in his lower lip. Again he gave ample warning he was pissed but my son kept getting in his face and he finally was bitten. Chihuahuas are known to be another nasty breed that are often aggressive. Now for the most part, he was a nice dog, and that is how he was raised and treated, it took quite the while to get him that way because when we got him he had a bit of an attitude and hated being petted or even touched on his flanks. Yet, even though our loving care calmed him down and he mostly was a lovable guy, and loved me to scratch his flanks, he still had the tendency to be a biter if someone continuously annoyed him although as I said, he gave ample warning. Our other two Chihuahuas were much better tempered than but even one of those was pretty high strung. It is in their genes as much as it is in their care.

    Hogwash Glenn. Pure hogwash. Just because you had a problem with a couple of pit bulls, doesn't make all pit bulls dangerous or aggressive as a breed of dog breed. That's painting with an awfully wide brush and perpetrating a stereotyped image and promoting misleading information.

    Why not apply the same types of stereotypes to people?
     

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    Pit bulls were/are bred to be fighting dogs; there are no ifs, ands or buts about it. There is a thing called Nurture versus Nature in psychology (yes sometimes, even if only rarely, psychology makes sense and it does in t,his case). Nurture would be the way you bring them up and yes that can and often does have a lot to do with it but not always or at least it is not the only reason Pit Bulls are more likely to attack and maim or kill someone than many other breeds of dogs. Nature is what their genes form them to be and that has a lot to do with it as well if not just as much as nurture. You cannot eliminate either from the equation regarding the entire breed regardless of how wonderful were your own dogs.

    All dogs, to my knowledge, are predators (correct me if any are vegans:roflsmile:). Being predators is in their genes. Fighting traits can also be in their genes and are so by way of nature and selective breeding. The easiest prey for them to attack are young animals (like babies or young children) and the sick and infirm. I would not have a pit bull again if you paid me. Had two of them, one attacked and bit my wife twice - just went berserk with our other dogs first then went at my wife. First time was with our alpha mutt so it was a hierarchy thing; the second was when t suddenly attacked one of our Chihuahuas for no evident reason - my wife witnessed the whole thing. She was also pretty seriously bitten in each of those instances. The pit bull seemed like the calmest and nicest dog in the world and then twice just flipped out. We had it put down.

    Then my once upon a time darling wife decided to get another one. The second one had major issues probably due to it's upbringing mostly but also due to its breed and to health issues (which the rescue hid from us). We returned it to the rescue where we had gotten it. They had sent us a trainer to try to break it of its habit of growling at my mother-in-law and of stalking and charging me while snapping its jaws; I almost shot it one time it did so but was able to command it into submission. The trainer thought he could retrain it but he said the dog was one of the worst he had seen so we opted out. We did not need one of our Chihuahuas killed or my wife, my MIL, or me bitten.

    None of our other dogs, with the exception of a male Chihuahua ever attacked any one. The male Chihuahua bit my daughter's father-in-law twice because he was an ******* that kept getting in the dog's face even after being warned and after being bitten the first time; although, he learned his lesson the second time. That little guy at least gave ample warning he was pissed off and to leave him alone before he bit anyone. He also bit my son, who had to get several stitches in his lower lip. Again he gave ample warning he was pissed but my son kept getting in his face and he finally was bitten. Chihuahuas are known to be another nasty breed that are often aggressive. Now for the most part, he was a nice dog, and that is how he was raised and treated, it took quite the while to get him that way because when we got him he had a bit of an attitude and hated being petted or even touched on his flanks. Yet, even though our loving care calmed him down and he mostly was a lovable guy, and loved me to scratch his flanks, he still had the tendency to be a biter if someone continuously annoyed him although as I said, he gave ample warning. Our other two Chihuahuas were much better tempered than but even one of those was pretty high strung. It is in their genes as much as it is in their care.

    Your chihuahua story makes them seem just as ill-behaved, or worse, than your pitbull story...the pit bit fewer people!


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    Your chihuahua story makes them seem just as ill-behaved, or worse, than your pitbull story...the pit bit fewer people!


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    Yes they can be pretty nasty but as I said, the Chihuahua always gave notice not to keep messing with him, first by turning his head away and tensing up and barring his teeth, then by growling, before getting pissed off enough to bite. In the three instances when he bit someone he gave ample warning which was disregarded by the two people who were bitten. The pit bull, on the other hand, just flipped out and attacked the other dogs and then my wife. Both breeds are known for a tendency to be aggressive.
     

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    Yes they can be pretty nasty but as I said, the Chihuahua always gave notice not to keep messing with him, first by turning his head away and tensing up and barring his teeth, then by growling, before getting pissed off enough to bite. In the three instances when he bit someone he gave ample warning which was disregarded by the two people who were bitten. The pit bull, on the other hand, just flipped out and attacked the other dogs and then my wife. Both breeds are known for a tendency to be aggressive.

    Please cite some sources that prove that they have a tendency to be aggressive. Or is this just you opinion. The sources I have cited and linked i several of my previous posts say that's just not the case.. Here's one:

    According to the American Veterinary Medical Association, "owners of pit bull-type dogs deal with a strong breed stigma; however, controlled studies have not identified this breed group as disproportionately dangerous."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull#Dog_attack_risk

    If you are going to continue to make such statements, then please show some proof or facts that support them. If not, at least quantify your statements are simply your opinions and not factual.
     

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    Hogwash Glenn. Pure hogwash. Just because you had a problem with a couple of pit bulls, doesn't make all pit bulls dangerous or aggressive as a breed of dog breed. That's painting with an awfully wide brush and perpetrating a stereotyped image and promoting misleading information.

    Why not apply the same types of stereotypes to people?

    Statistics don’t lie. Your anecdotal evidence is hogwash. I rescue dumped dogs and one of the sweetest dogs that found me was a Pit mom with pups. I also know of three occasions were family Pits killed people. I’ve personally seen a sweet Pit flip to where I told the owner if she was ever loose again she was a dead dog. I’ve had most of the “ aggressive “ dogs over the years. I wouldn’t trust any dog alone with a child. In short, all this anecdoteal evidence is pure crap.
     

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    Statistics don’t lie. Your anecdotal evidence is hogwash. I rescue dumped dogs and one of the sweetest dogs that found me was a Pit mom with pups. I also know of three occasions were family Pits killed people. I’ve personally seen a sweet Pit flip to where I told the owner if she was ever loose again she was a dead dog. I’ve had most of the “ aggressive “ dogs over the years. I wouldn’t trust any dog alone with a child. In short, all this anecdoteal evidence is pure crap.

    And that proves it's the fault of them being a pit bull breed? So you're asserting there is no way that it's the fault of the owner of the pit bull?

    My brother's Rottweiler taking care of his daughters, would be exactly what in your opinion then?

    Again, I'll stand on my previous statements. Bad dog owners, equals bad dogs. That isn't the fault of any dog breed and can happen with ANY dog breed. Please prove that wrong.
     

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    And that proves it's the fault of them being a pit bull breed? So you're asserting there is no way that it's the fault of the owner of the pit bull?

    My brother's Rottweiler taking care of his daughters, would be exactly what in your opinion then?

    Again, I'll stand on my previous statements. Bad dog owners, equals bad dogs. That isn't the fault of any dog breed and can happen with ANY dog breed. Please prove that wrong.


    Just look at the statistics for your proof. Your like a Democrat who is full of emotions but no proof.
     

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    Just look at the statistics for your proof. Your like a Democrat who is full of emotions but no proof.

    So you have nothing to support your statements then? Jump to insults when your argument is failing. Awesome!

    BTW, I have linked quite a few sources in previous posts on this thread, if you'd like to read them before jumping to conclusions.
     

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    I'm glad all you cowards are scared of pit bulls. Provides a good deterrence to stupidity. Mine isn't even aggressive towards the ducks, which is remarkable because ducks have a knack of bringing the predator out in many dogs.
    Only animals that worry me in this country is a mama bear. All others will merely be put in their place by my equalizer. Mama bears tend to ignore them, But all I have to do is outrun the person next to me. :)
     
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