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    https://www.foxnews.com/us/indiana-mother-charged-pit-bull-mix-kills-infant-son


    Indiana mother charged after family’s pit bull mix kills infant son
    The attack happened six months ago”

    Sad story. Sounds like the teenage son left the dog with the baby after the pit tore up a beagle.

    Yes, this can happen with a lab too...but does it happen nearly as often? Not that I have ever heard...


    If you have pit bulls, you need to effing monitor them around kids!!!

    I have friends who swear by their pit bull pups, and some have kids. But just like having firearms in your house, owners need to be mindful.

    Flame away...

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    Sam7sf

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    A lot of people make the mistake not only raising a dog wrong but not knowing signs said dog might have fear aggression or just isn’t right. Unfortunately a lot of retards and thugs like to own pitbulls. This doesn’t help stats.

    supposedly some stats long ago showed gsd dogs were responsible for most dog bites. My beloved bear was trusted around kids. Some dogs love and protect kids. Others are like the owner. A pos.

    I truly was spoiled with bear though...a true gift from god.
     

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    I'm sorry that this happened. But, I don't blame the dog. I don't believe in bad dog breeds, but bad dog owners.

    You may not be hearing about them, but I have seen labs that would rip out your throat quicker than any pit bull!

    I don't think any breed is inherently "bad", but dog breeds were bred with specific traits. That "fighting to the death and not letting go" instinct is a pitbull trait, and while it may be recessive in some lovable dogs, it can still be triggered.

    Kinda like most retrievers love to chase and bring back a ball...just in their nature.
     

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    A lot of people make the mistake not only raising a dog wrong but not knowing signs said dog might have fear aggression or just isn’t right. Unfortunately a lot of retards and thugs like to own pitbulls. This doesn’t help stats.

    supposedly some stats long ago showed gsd dogs were responsible for most dog bites. My beloved bear was trusted around kids. Some dogs love and protect kids. Others are like the owner. A pos.

    I truly was spoiled with bear though...a true gift from god.

    Sam, I have owned over the years, just about every large breed, so-called "dangerous" breed dog, and have never had any problems with any of them. I agree, many thugs, and "macho" type personality people tend to gravitate towards large breed dogs. This IMO is not a fault of the dog, or a certain dog breed. But the owners of the dogs.

    Dogs are a product of their environment and the owners of the dog. They react or respond in a way to how they were taught, or from the treatment they have received. IMO, 99% of "bad" dogs, have bad owners.
     

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    I don't think any breed is inherently "bad", but dog breeds were bred with specific traits. That "fighting to the death and not letting go" instinct is a pitbull trait, and while it may be recessive in some lovable dogs, it can still be triggered.

    Kinda like most retrievers love to chase and bring back a ball...just in their nature.

    Buzz, how many pit bulls have you owned? How many Rottweilers have you owned? How many Dobermans have you owned? How many German Shepherds have you owned?
     

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    ^^^
    Dogs have been bred with specific genetic traits, those traits are a benefit especially if you have a working dog. Herding dogs, hunting dogs, fighting dogs, lap dogs, etc. Pit bulls were bred for the fighting ring.
    If your pit is a gentle sensitive soul it may be a wonderful dog but it is not a true pit bull. My Boston Terrier can never be trained to be a good hunter or herding dog like my Corgi. The argument that it is the owner is only partially true as genetics is what counts. I have many friends with gentle pit bulls (defective) but I don't trust any well bred pit. My Corgi is a great watch dog, I can not train him to not bark at any strange sound or intrusion. He is all bark and no bite but it is a loud bark. My Boston fits the breed perfectly, a lap dog.
     

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    Someone gets shot?
    Blame the shooter not the gun.

    Drunk driving accident?
    Blame the drunk not the car, not the booze.

    Unruly kids?
    Blame the parents not the kid.

    Unruly dog?
    Blame the owner not the dog.

    Speaking in general terms
    Just my opinion.
    YMMV


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    Dogs have been bred with specific genetic traits, those traits are a benefit especially if you have a working dog. Herding dogs, hunting dogs, fighting dogs, lap dogs, etc. Pit bulls were bred for the fighting ring.
    If your pit is a gentle sensitive soul it may be a wonderful dog but it is not a true pit bull. My Boston Terrier can never be trained to be a good hunter or herding dog like my Corgi. The argument that it is the owner is only partially true as genetics is what counts. I have many friends with gentle pit bulls (defective) but I don't trust any well bred pit. My Corgi is a great watch dog, I can not train him to not bark at any strange sound or intrusion. He is all bark and no bite but it is a loud bark. My Boston fits the breed perfectly, a lap dog.

    Pure hogwash Rotor! Traits can be manipulated, or encouraged, or suppressed in just about any dog breed. Excerpt:

    According to the American Veterinary Medical Association, "owners of pit bull-type dogs deal with a strong breed stigma; however, controlled studies have not identified this breed group as disproportionately dangerous."

    Here, do some reading on some of the "traits" of dog breeds you come in contact with normally, or even some you think you know something about. Those "traits" that are bred into dogs and their oriins of what they use to be might surprise you.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dog_breeds

    Those "traits" as you call them only probably actually apply if the dog is a purebred that you can trace the ancestors of the dog back to.
     

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    Years ago my son had a Rottweiler that had a look that could kill without touching you. But, this was the gentlest dog I've ever been around. Chris got him, as a pup, when his daughter was less than a year old and called him Dumas, short for dumb ass. He was raised to be gentle, which he was til the day he died at the age of 14. He had the look but was far from dangerous.
     

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    My experience with pitties is to absolutely never leave them unattended around small animals or children.
    I don't care how "gentle" they are.
    They can't be trusted. Period.
    Once had an incident in my own driveway where a pit ran up out of nowhere and tried chew toy my daughter when she was a toddler.
     

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    I don't think any breed is inherently "bad", but dog breeds were bred with specific traits. That "fighting to the death and not letting go" instinct is a pitbull trait, and while it may be recessive in some lovable dogs, it can still be triggered.

    Kinda like most retrievers love to chase and bring back a ball...just in their nature.


    Something most casual dog owners are not aware of is that there are about 3 different strains of pit bulls. I have one that is part of the "nanny dog" strain. She LOVES kids. When my grandkids are around, she stands guard over them. Wherever they are playing, she has her butt facing them and is on the lookout for trouble. When my wife watched one of my grandbabies, the dog would lick the babies toes, then lay in a similar position to guard the baby.

    But they are not all wired that way.
     

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    Buzz, how many pit bulls have you owned? How many Rottweilers have you owned? How many Dobermans have you owned? How many German Shepherds have you owned?
    Is “owning” necessary? Seriously? How many polar bears have you owned to know they are dangerous???

    That’s a poor misdirection, but I’ll play along.

    I’ve owned three purebred dogs and many others that were shelter “mutts”. The true purebreds were a female Alaskan Malamute (I bought her in Spain) that was the smartest dog I have owned, a male Bischon which was also a pretty smart, trainable dog we were rehabilitating from a bad situation, and a female Doberman.

    Zero Rotties, but been around a lot of them. Rotties were bred to work around people and pull butcher carts. Like many dogs bred for work, they had some guardian instincts.

    One Dobie, bought from a well established breeder in San Antonio recommended to me by a friend who raises dachshunds. The dog was a 1 year old female. Upon taking her home, we immediately began walking her and working with her. On third day of owning her, I returned her when, in front of me, she reached out and bit (a corrective “nip” to her I think) my 18 year old daughter who happened to walk by between the dog and me while I was in a chair. The bite, not really deep, but it drew blood. I immediately corrected the dog, but also called the Breeder who suggested I return the dog. She refunded my money.

    Dobies were bred by a tax collector as a dog that would accompany and protect him while making his rounds. Great dogs, but extremely protective and require a strong owner and solid boundaries. I honestly didn’t have the time.

    Zero German and Belgian Shepherds. They, like most true shepherds, were bred to protect herds and flocks. Inherently a very trainable breed, they evolved into military and other service specific working dogs.

    After an almost 30 year military career, I’ve met lots of dog folks who had lots of different dogs, including many “dangerous” breeds. One of the very best Akita Breeders was a neighbor of mine while stationed in Spain I’m good friends with a handful of military dog handlers. I have Visited some outstanding hunting and working dog breeders in both the US and Europe.

    What we know as “PitBulls” were specifically bred as fighting dogs...and they were bred not to strike and let go, they were bred to grip and hold, rip, shake, and tear apart to the death. That is a fact. It is in their nature.

    How many times have you heard the stories, often from cops, and here they had to either shoot the dog or use a bar to pry the pit’s mouth open to let go?

    That isn’t a trait shared by GSD’s or even Dobies. That is a bull dog trait, and specifically the pit, which Evolved from the English Staffordshire Bull Terrier lineage. The American Staffordshire was recognized as a separate breed in the 70’s.

    I may not be a dog whisperer, but I have studied breeds over the years. And the only part of this post I had to Google was when (1972) the American Pit was officially recognized as a separate breed.

    Again, I do not believe any breed is inherently bad, but I do understand different breeds were bred for different purposes and have traits specifically selected for those purposes.
     
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    Is “owning” necessary? Seriously? How many polar bears have you owned to know they are dangerous???

    That’s a poor misdirection, but I’ll play along.

    I’ve owned three purebred dogs and many others that were shelter “mutts”. The true purebreds were a female Alaskan Malamute (I bought her in Spain) that was the smartest dog I have owned, a male Bischon which was also a pretty smart, trainable dog we were rehabilitating from a bad situation, and a female Doberman.

    Zero Rotties, but been around a lot of them. Rotties were bred to work around people and pull butcher carts. Like many dogs bred for work, they had some guardian instincts.

    One Dobie, bought from a well established breeder in San Antonio recommended to me by a friend who raises dachshunds. The dog was a 1 year old female. Upon taking her home, we immediately began walking her and working with her. On third day of owning her, I returned her when, in front of me, she reached out and bit (a corrective “nip” to her I think) my 18 year old daughter who happened to walk by between the dog and me while I was in a chair. The bite, not really deep, but it drew blood. I immediately corrected the dog, but also called the Breeder who suggested I return the dog. She refunded my money.

    Dobies were bred by a tax collector as a dog that would accompany and protect him while making his rounds. Great dogs, but extremely protective and require a strong owner and solid boundaries. I honestly didn’t have the time.

    Zero German and Belgian Shepherds. They, like most true shepherds, were bred to protect herds and flocks. Inherently a very trainable breed, they evolved into military and other service specific working dogs.

    After an almost 30 year military career, I’ve met lots of dog folks who had lots of different dogs, including many “dangerous” breeds. One of the very best Akita Breeders was a neighbor of mine while stationed in Spain I’m good friends with a handful of military dog handlers. I have Visited some outstanding hunting and working dog breeders in both the US and Europe.

    What we know as “PitBulls” were specifically bred as fighting dogs...and they were bred not to strike and let go, they were bred to grip and hold, rip, shake, and tear apart to the death. That is a fact. It is in their nature.

    How many times have you heard the stories, often from cops, and here they had to either shoot the dog or use a bar to pry the pit’s mouth open to let go?

    That isn’t a trait shared by GSD’s or even Dobies. That is a bull dog trait, and specifically the pit, which Evolved from the English Staffordshire Bull Terrier lineage. The American Staffordshire was recognized as a separate breed in the 70’s.

    I may not be a dog whisperer, but I have studied breeds over the years. And the only part of this post I had to Google was when (1972) the American Pit was officially recognized as a separate breed.

    Again, I do not believe any breed is inherently bad, but I do understand different breeds were bred for different purposes and have traits specifically selected for those purposes.

    Well Buzz, how many people can say they have an honest to goodness purebred dog, that they can trace it's lineage back and qualify that breeds traits? I'd hazard a guess, that very, very few can. Many of the dog breeds that are in this country now, are nothing like their ancestors of the past. How many dog breeds that were originally for herding livestock, are actually used for that purpose today? I'm sure most of those breeds are not bought or acquired for their herding traits. I could probably cite many other "traits" that made a certain breed desirable for a particular job, are not the same today in modern times. Poodles originally were gun or retriever digs. Hunting dogs. I'm sure that is why many people have them today is for hunting?

    I'll stand on my comments made previously. Excerpt:

    Contrary to popular myth, pit bulls do not have "locking jaws".[46] There is no physiological "locking mechanism" in the jaw muscle and bone structure of pit bulls or other dogs.[47] Pit bull-type dogs, like other terriers, hunting and bull-baiting breeds,[48] can exhibit a bite, hold, and shake behavior and at times refuse to release.[14][49][50] Pit bulls also have wide skulls, well-developed facial muscles, and strong jaws,[46] and some research suggests that pit bull bites are particularly serious because they tend to bite deeply and grind their molars into tissue.[51] A dog's bite strength is dependent on the size and strength of the dog, not its breed.[52] Breaking an ammonia ampule and holding it up to the dog's nose can cause the dog to release its hold.[49]
    Buzz, you too might want to read up on pit bulls. Your knowledge of them is quite lacking sir.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_domestic_dog
     
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