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    Drill-out the chamber to fit 22LR. I think the action will cycle the longer 22LR.
    Has anyone done this?
    ... 22long ammo is hard to find.
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    Will the 1890 chamber .22 short? How old is the gun? Condition?
    If you have an antique Winchester and it will do the shorts, why ruin it?

    From what I read about the 1890, it was available chambered in 22 Short, Long, Long Rifle and 22 WMR. but they were different chamberings, and not necessarily designed to use the various cartridges.
     

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    From what I read about the 1890, it was available chambered in 22 Short, Long, Long Rifle and 22 WMR. but they were different chamberings, and not necessarily designed to use the various cartridges.
    My understanding has always been( and I may be totally wrong) the only difference between .22 short and long was the case length.
     

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    My understanding has always been( and I may be totally wrong) the only difference between .22 short and long was the case length.

    I believe that is correct. The case length on the 22 Long, and the 22 Long Rifle are .613". The 22 Short the case length is .421".

    Unless I'm mistaken, the difference between the 22 Long and the Long Rifle cartridges are the bullet lengths, requiring a minor difference in the chamber area of the breech?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_Short
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_Long_Rifle
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_Long

    Interestingly, PTG shows that the headspace gauge for the 22 Long and Long Rifle are the same.

    http://pacifictoolandgauge.com/saam...rifle-saami-headspace-gauge-set-go-no-go.html
     

    TipBledsoe

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    Will the 1890 chamber .22 short? How old is the gun? Condition?
    If you have an antique Winchester and it will do the shorts, why ruin it?
    I think any 22 long or long rifle will chamber shorts, but i dont know about the action cycling them. It was made in 1894. I don't own the rifle. It is Gun Broker item 873004876. I thought it would make a fun plinker, which is why I was interested in re-chambering for cheaper and more readily available long rifle ammo.
    https://www.gunbroker.com/item/873004876
    I was considering purchasing it, but it's done been bid up beyond what I think its worth. I don't consider it to be collector grade. Otherwise, no I wouldn't ruin a valuable antique.
     

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    I think any 22 long or long rifle will chamber shorts, but i dont know about the action cycling them. It was made in 1894. I don't own the rifle. It is Gun Broker item 873004876. I thought it would make a fun plinker, which is why I was interested in re-chambering for cheaper and more readily available long rifle ammo.
    https://www.gunbroker.com/item/873004876
    I was considering purchasing it, but it's done been bid up beyond what I think its worth. I don't consider it to be collector grade. Otherwise, no I wouldn't ruin a valuable antique.
    Brother in law has one chambered for .22 short. Like shooting suppressed
     

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    I think any 22 long or long rifle will chamber shorts, but i dont know about the action cycling them. It was made in 1894. I don't own the rifle. It is Gun Broker item 873004876. I thought it would make a fun plinker, which is why I was interested in re-chambering for cheaper and more readily available long rifle ammo.
    https://www.gunbroker.com/item/873004876
    I was considering purchasing it, but it's done been bid up beyond what I think its worth. I don't consider it to be collector grade. Otherwise, no I wouldn't ruin a valuable antique.

    IF I am reading this correctly, they only are able to shoot the cartridge they are marked for.

    Calibers for the rifle include .22 Short, .22 Long, .22 Long Rifle, .22 Winchester Rimfire. The Model 1890 will only feed the round specific to that gun (e.g. a Model 1890 stamped ".22 Short" on the barrel will not feed .22 Long, .22 Long Rifle, or .22 WRF; despite there being other 1890s chambered in those calibers). The .22 Long Rifle version was added in 1919.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_1890
     

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    The 1890 will only cycle with the ammo it is marked for, unlike the later Winchester pumps. If you ream the chamber to long rifle, the carrier must also be deepened to accommodate the longer round. It is an easy conversion and is totally unseen from outside. I have converted a couple from short to long rifle and one from WRF to long rifle. That one had to be relined since the WRF chamber is oversized for LR. The bore was toast anyway. Before I get flamed for destroying collectible rifles, all of the converted rifles were mismatched and/or reblued.
     

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    Brother in law has one chambered for .22 short. Like shooting suppressed

    Hoji; All,

    IF the rifle will actually feed/chamber "high-speed" .22 SHORTS, they are GREAT for squirrel hunting, as a shot through the head or rib area KILLS them GYD & spoils little edible meat.
    (As you & a lot of folks here know, I'm a hillbilly from Camp County up in NETX & it is said "way up there" that the "major religion" is busy-tail hunting.)

    Further, you are 100% CORRECT that out of a long-barreled rifle that .22 Shorts make little noise & therefore scare FEW squirrels. = I've been known to "limit out" on fat Fox Squirrels sitting under the same hickory nut or pecan tree.

    yours, satx
     

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    The 1890 will only cycle with the ammo it is marked for, unlike the later Winchester pumps. If you ream the chamber to long rifle, the carrier must also be deepened to accommodate the longer round. It is an easy conversion and is totally unseen from outside. I have converted a couple from short to long rifle and one from WRF to long rifle. That one had to be relined since the WRF chamber is oversized for LR. The bore was toast anyway. Before I get flamed for destroying collectible rifles, all of the converted rifles were mismatched and/or reblued.

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