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    Big Green

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    seeker_two said:
    ...now, if General Mattis was allowed to speak to the rioters.....
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    So apparently he has spoken, along with Adm McMullen.

    For the record I never cared for McMullen and never served under Mattis. I appreciate Gen Mattis’ knowledge of wars and his colorful comments concerning war. Even though he was more of the “hearts and minds” crowd than I would have preferred, I did hope Trump would turn him lose in Afghanistan after he became SecDef so we could end it and come home. As far as all the other locations we are currently engaged, he and I were not on the same page.

    I always had an uneasy feeling about his politics though and I still wonder why he took the position of SecDef under Trump in the first place.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...nounces-trump-protests-militarization/612640/
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    I understand his reluctance to use troops in American cities, but he doesn't have a grasp of the current situation. He doesn't see the difference between genuinely peaceful protesters and rioters/looters. He doesn't see the local LEOs stretched to the breaking point. He doesn't see the civilian lives and livelihoods being destroyed. He doesn't see the ineptitude of Democrats leading cities to slaughter. Mattis just sees what CNN and the political wonks want him to see.

    Someone once told me that any rank above Major was a de facto political office. I now have to accept that Mattis is a politician just like the rest.....

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    Using the military to quell domestic uprisings is, in my civilian opinion, a waste of our resources. If we have cops that can't do the job, we should look there. Why can't they? What are they missing? What are they doing wrong that we can fix? etc.

    My not so humble take on the matter, is that we've blurred the lines of what cops are "supposed to" be doing. We preach it around here all the time, cops aren't your protectors. They aren't guardian angels that show up to prevent bad things from happening, yet that is what the general public expects of them. The loony left wants to disarm the public because "only police should have guns" which shows us quite clearly, they expect police to somehow form magic anti-crime bubbles around each and every person. Honestly, we should stop painting "to protect and serve" on the cop cars. Maybe keep "to serve" on the Constables' cars ;)

    We expect cops to "generate" revenue to cover their own salaries because we don't like high taxes, but get upset when cited. I get a chuckle from traffic enforcement arguments, like speeding. People get their panties all wadded up over it, on both sides of the line, yet there's no one answer to "what is a safe speed?" that fits every driver on every road for every car under every set of environmental conditions. Yet that's how we "police" it under some misguided semblance of "safety." It's horseshit and everyone knows it. But back to the point, we expect cops to earn their living at the expense of the people they're sworn to "protect and serve." Kind of sets them up for failure if you ask me, because people realize their most typical interactions with a cop is going to cost you money, and act accordingly. It's an adversarial relationship.

    Then we get into the "I know doing this bad thing is the right thing to do" argument, like forcefully intervening in a crime. A lot of people will look the other way, because getting involved means more hassle than walking away. "No good deed goes unpunished" right? Even if you'll be let go on the charges, it's likely to cost you time and money. Walking away and saying nothing is free.

    So the general population wants cops to be the good guys, but looks at them as bad guys. Doesn't work.

    I could go on and on, but I think the law books have grown too thick, what we term policing has grown too encompassing, and the death of personal responsibility has bred societal failure.
     
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    Brains said:
    Using the military to quell domestic uprisings is, in my civilian opinion, a waste of our resources. If we have cops that can't do the job, we should look there. Why can't they? What are they missing? What are they doing wrong that we can fix? etc.

    My not so humble take on the matter, is that we've blurred the lines of what cops are "supposed to" be doing. We preach it around here all the time, cops aren't your protectors. They aren't guardian angels that show up to prevent bad things from happening, yet that is what the general public expects of them. The loony left wants to disarm the public because "only police should have guns" which shows us quite clearly, they expect police to somehow form magic anti-crime bubbles around each and every person. Honestly, we should stop painting "to protect and serve" on the cop cars. Maybe keep "to serve" on the Constables' cars ;)

    We expect cops to "generate" revenue to cover their own salaries because we don't like high taxes, but get upset when cited. I get a chuckle from traffic enforcement arguments, like speeding. People get their panties all wadded up over it, on both sides of the line, yet there's no one answer to "what is a safe speed?" that fits every driver on every road for every car under every set of environmental conditions. Yet that's how we "police" it under some misguided semblance of "safety." It's horseshit and everyone knows it. But back to the point, we expect cops to earn their living at the expense of the people they're sworn to "protect and serve." Kind of sets them up for failure if you ask me, because people realize their most typical interactions with a cop is going to cost you money, and act accordingly. It's an adversarial relationship.

    Then we get into the "I know doing this bad thing is the right thing to do" argument, like forcefully intervening in a crime. A lot of people will look the other way, because getting involved means more hassle than walking away. "No good deed goes unpunished" right? Even if you'll be let go on the charges, it's likely to cost you time and money. Walking away and saying nothing is free.

    So the general population wants cops to be the good guys, but looks at them as bad guys. Doesn't work.

    I could go on and on, but I think the law books have grown too thick, what we term policing has grown too encompassing, and the death of personal responsibility has bred societal failure.
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    Good point.

    I would counter that, with antifa classified as a terrorist organization and their ties to the riots considered a terrorist attack, the time to discuss this is after the attack has been repulsed. Some PDs are at their limits, especially those led by city governments collaborating with antifa. Now may be best served in supporting the local PDs n stopping the threat. After the shooting stops, we can sort the rest out.

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    If the cops are overrun that is the time to use the National Guard and use it effectively. Not particularly what a weekend warrior wants to do but think of those great retirement benefits earned. The problem as noted is a political one. It is incomprehensible to me that looters and anarchists are not stopped by force. It has already taken the lives of good men. I guess if it happens to one of us we will have to deal with it ourselves.

    The comment of the rank of above Major being political may be true. I have minimal respect for those senior officers that seem to have obtained things via the brown nose tactics. Certainly in my field it wasn't skill. None of them would have made a living in the civilian community.
     
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    This is literally what the national guard should be used for.

    Being former guard I would actually like to protect my community that I live in, my neighbors etc. the idea of sending them to keep peace in some turd world nation instead of my own state when needed is part of our national problem.
     
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    Moonpie said:
    Mattis is Swamp.
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    I agree. Most of what he said better fits Obama than Trump. Antifa are bullies. Period. Appeasement never works to stop bullies from being bullies. Ever.
    To stop law abiding citizens from being forcibly over run and localities from being violently overthrown from within is exactly what the militia and guard were created for. To protect local citizens from violent takeover. Even those with inept leaders like NYC.

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    Disappointed, but not surprised. A lot of former Trump admin officials don't like getting fired for lack of performance (either real or perceived - the President wants results NOW, and isn't used to the slow pace typical of government) - those people then say nasty things.

    Don't be surprised if Mattis gets called to testify in the next sham impeachment.
     
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    Big Green said:
    I’m gonna swap mine out. My M16A4 clone has a Mattis lower. I’m gonna get the PSA M16A4 lower and use that instead.
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    So is it now for sale pretty damn cheap or what, or do you figure Antifa will pay a premium for a deep state lower? Not that I'm a fan of lightening cuts on lowers, but I'd be breaking out a Dremel!
     
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    baboon said:
    So is it now for sale pretty damn cheap or what, or do you figure Antifa will pay a premium for a deep state lower? Not that I'm a fan of lightening cuts on lowers, but I'd be breaking out a Dremel!
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    Nah, it’ll go in the safe. Tucked away in the back, never know when one might be needed.
     
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