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  • smittyb

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    I don't understand this at all. The 6mmAR cartridge has been around for a long time with lots of development and match use. You can go to the website of the developer and buy uppers, accessories, everything.

    This new 6mmARC is essentially identical. Why go to the trouble of introducing it? The market for people who really need a good 6mm based on the .220 Russian already knew about the 6mmAR. Does Hornady think people are going to buy their stuff just because it has their name on the box?

    Maybe I'm just being snippy because in their YT videos, Hornady repeatedly boasts that they developed the cartridge. They most assuredly did not.

    It is not the same as the 6mm AR. The 6mm AR is simply a 6.5G necked down to 6mm. The 6mm ARC has the shoulder moved back and a Slightly different R.
    But besides any of that, Hornady took a cartridge to SAAMI and got approval. Robert Whitley could have done the same thing at any time.
    Look at 300 whisper VS 300 blackout. Before AAC took it to SAAMI, it was just a rare niche round. Now damn near everyone has one.
     

    Txhillbilly

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    Does Hornady think people are going to buy their stuff just because it has their name on the box?

    Maybe I'm just being snippy because in their YT videos, Hornady repeatedly boasts that they developed the cartridge. They most assuredly did not.

    I'll give it to Hornady's Marketing Dept. They are real good at promoting a new cartridge. We learned that 13 years ago with the 6.5 Creedmoor.
    Remington needs to hire some of Hornady's marketing employee's,maybe they won't have so many failed cartridges or rifles that are made with the wrong twist rates for the cartridges they are supposed to shoot.

    Hornady might not have developed the whole cartridge from scratch,hell very few of any new cartridges are actually something "New". Almost all of them are just a modified case from another cartridge.
     

    Txhillbilly

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    It is not the same as the 6mm AR. The 6mm AR is simply a 6.5G necked down to 6mm. The 6mm ARC has the shoulder moved back and a Slightly different R.
    But besides any of that, Hornady took a cartridge to SAAMI and got approval. Robert Whitley could have done the same thing at any time.
    Look at 300 whisper VS 300 blackout. Before AAC took it to SAAMI, it was just a rare niche round. Now damn near everyone has one.

    Most independent cartridge designer's don't have deep enough pockets to pay SAAMI in order to get their cartridge tested & approved. That's why they stay Wildcat cartridges.
     

    Mohawk600

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    I would too.

    AR calibers are a tough market now. There are so many of them and the market is so saturated that most will fail. I will be interested to see how this does and how it actually stacks up against other AR long range rounds, not just 6mm ones. I doubt this will do much against the 6.5 Grendel, but it might cause the 224 Valkyrie to lose traction and possibly even cause it to be dropped altogether.

    Just curious about why you think it may cause this?
     

    Maverick44

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    Just curious about why you think it may cause this?

    What did the 224 Valkyrie offer over the 6.5 Grendel? It really didn't live up to the hype, and honestly I see it as a glorified 5.56. I feel like a lot of it's success was simply due to hype and the fact that it was the hot new cartridge on the market. The 6mm ARC is going to take it's place in that regard. That's not to say that the 224 is a bad round, just not a good enough round to stay relevant in my opinion.

    The 6mm ARC could very well find itself in that same position in a few years. The AR cartridge market is pretty bad about chewing up and spitting out new designs. Very few rounds actually stay relevant for more than a few years. The 6.8 SPC is a good example of that. It used to be very popular. Now, it's still around but not as easy to find uppers or parts for.
     

    DyeF9

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    For people who don't have a large variety of cartridges, or only have a couple rifles and one is an AR, I could see wanting the 6mmARC if it gets a lot of support from.the industry. I have a 6.5 Grendel though and I don't think the BC on the 6mmARC outweighs what the 6.5 Grendel can already do. I don't have a particularly expensive Grendel upper either, so I could potentially get a nice precision 6mmARC upper. It would depend on how much industry support there is for it.

    I personally don't buy into 224 Valkyrie and haven't heard many people say much good about it, outside of youtubers
     

    Txhillbilly

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    The 224 Valkyrie had several issues with different barrel makers having/using different chamber reamers than what the actual cartridge was spec'd to. That caused many owner's a lot of problems,and everyone pointed fingers at someone else instead of admitting fault and fixing it.
     

    Mohawk600

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    The 224 Valkyrie had several issues with different barrel makers having/using different chamber reamers than what the actual cartridge was spec'd to. That caused many owner's a lot of problems,and everyone pointed fingers at someone else instead of admitting fault and fixing it.
    So has it been fixed now? Who is the go to barrel maker for .224 V?
     

    ed308

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    So has it been fixed now? Who is the go to barrel maker for .224 V?

    Yes. The company that made the reamers for most companies screwed up and made the reamers wrong which resulted in a slightly long freebore. It's been corrected for a while.

    I really like the .224 Valk. Soft shooting AR that gets the best of the 6.5 Grendel at long range.
     

    ed308

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    I don't understand this at all. The 6mmAR cartridge has been around for a long time with lots of development and match use. You can go to the website of the developer and buy uppers, accessories, everything.

    This new 6mmARC is essentially identical. Why go to the trouble of introducing it? The market for people who really need a good 6mm based on the .220 Russian already knew about the 6mmAR. Does Hornady think people are going to buy their stuff just because it has their name on the box?

    Maybe I'm just being snippy because in their YT videos, Hornady repeatedly boasts that they developed the cartridge. They most assuredly did not.

    The 6mm ARC is very close to ARP's 6mm Predator wildcat. Only changes they made was to push the shoulder back a little. It's my understanding the cartridge was designed for a military project that's not been disclosed. Hornady decided to take the design and get it SAAMI certified. Federal also has a similar cartridge based on the 6.8 case (and similar to the .224 Valk) that has also been approved by SAAMI but which they haven't released.
     
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