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  • Gilbertc13

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    I would not argue semantics either if yours had not made it appear as if we live in a fantasy-land full of good and concerned cops with so few bad ones as to be almost inconsequential. The truth is, the figures I presented were not semantics they were statistics that debunked your number of concerned and pissed off police officers. Amazingly it was okay for you to argue semantics when someone generalized but when someone debunks you then it is not okay! Go figure - oh no wait - I was the one who went out and got the numbers to do the figuring.

    I don’t have the necessary time to check into it myself. I believe your numbers are correct, as you have listed your sources. You’ve done the research, and proved me wrong. That’s why I’m not going to argue with you. So I’ll tuck my tail between my legs and back off. In the end the figures I threw out were wrong and unrealistic. Gotta educate myself before posting figures. Last thing I want to do is argue. So I digress. Should’ve just said that not all cops are bad. There’s plenty of good ones that are upset by this. Between rona enforcement and this, it’s a tough time to be A police officer and it’s only going to become increasingly more difficult. Changes need to be made.


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    Glenn B

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    No tail tucking required, I sometimes get carried away with arguing things to a point - my apology. I agree and I think most cops are good and some are bad (too many), lets leave it at that.:peace: Peace!
     
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    Not tail ticking required, I sometimes get carried away with arguing things to a point - my apology. I agree and I think most cops are good and some are bad (too many), lets leave it at that.:peace: Peace!

    We’re good! Two people having a discussion that got out of hand.


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    majormadmax

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    A quote making the rounds that is pretty good is: "If you have 10 bad cops and 1000 good cops, but the 1000 good cops don't turn in the 10 bad cops you have 1010 bad cops." It's true. You have to police yourselves because turning a blind eye in the police profession makes you just as bad as the person you turned your eye to.

    Does that rule apply to gun owners as well? Asking for a friend...
     

    Darkpriest667

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    Does that rule apply to gun owners as well? Asking for a friend...

    You're obliged to disobey any unjust law. I see what you're getting at and you're not tricking me into that little whirlwind game. These are public servants who are sworn to PROTECT and SERVE the civilian population. We give them a power and authority that others do not have. They are held to a higher standard.
     

    avvidclif

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    You're obliged to disobey any unjust law. I see what you're getting at and you're not tricking me into that little whirlwind game. These are public servants who are sworn to PROTECT and SERVE the civilian population. We give them a power and authority that others do not have. They are held to a higher standard.

    Study the Supreme Court ruling regarding that comment. They are not there to protect.
     

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    Don't worry, Dr Michael Baden (same guy as Epstein) is being called in to clear up the autopsy....



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    vmax

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    Again, do you know it personally? Otherwise it's the definition of a rumor.
    All of the hundreds of videos on YouTube and news footage of cops harassing citizens over covid are rumor?
    You are a damn dumbass .
    And yes..it happened to a good friend of mine also. He told me 1st hand accounts.
     

    majormadmax

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    You're obliged to disobey any unjust law..

    Yeah, good luck with that. A person's opinion that something is unjust doesn't necessarily mean it is. I think speed limits are unjust, but that isn't a defense to prosecution if I get caught speeding.

    Our legal system has means by which to change the law, disobeying them--as these so-called demonstrators are doing--is not one of them.
     

    gshayd

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    The guy die while in police custody. The officer had his knee on his neck for 10 minutes. There is probably a departmental policy on this. The guy was down and handcuffed. All he had to do was take his knee off his neck. The police policy manual in the town here says if you are an officer and fail to intercede in a case like this you are failing to do your duty as a law enforcement officer. The officer had a history of problems.
     

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    Exactly. Cutting off the blood supply will kill you just as dead as cutting off the air supply. The very reason many departments avoid using choke holds to subdue a suspect. Many departments have policies against using them at all.

    I remember as a teenager my older cousin was all into being a cop or be in the military. He had apparently just learned the cliche sleeper hold. Me being the youngest of everyone, he snuck up behind and pulled it on me. Surprisingly I dropped in a few seconds. Those holds are no joke if executed properly!


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    FireInTheWire

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    Please don’t generalize all cops. 99.99% of police officers are pissed off this happened. Unfortunately all it takes is the action of 1 to ruin any and all public trust in the police.


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    And from this terrible incident, will stem extreme hardship for for all the rest of the good LEO.

    Edit: I'd like to add, the monkey wrench is breaking apart and getting into all cogs of the machine.
     

    benenglish

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    Note: I'm not replying to toddnjoyce, just using this text as a jumping-off point.
    From the linked article.

    “Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease,” the complaint continued. “The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.”

    The complaint said that Officer Chauvin kept his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds in total, including 2 minutes and 56 seconds after he appeared to have lost consciousness.”
    The title of this thread appears to reference the medical examiners report. The quote above appears to reference the complaint used to make the arrest. Those are two different things.

    There are many threads to scan and I haven't read them all. However, I have yet to see anyone link to the medical examiners report, a reliable source. Complaints can and have been total fiction in other cases so I'm not putting a great deal of faith in arguments based on the text of the complaint.

    I've done a bit of online searching and everything I've found that says it's quoting the ME report ultimately leads back to the complaint, NOT the ME report. Further, that complaint spends just one short paragraph that paraphrases the preliminary report. That text was not written by the ME and who knows how much it was mangled in translation? But even this paraphrase admits that it is attempting to summarize the preliminary findings and that the actual report is still pending.
    The Hennepin County Medical Examiner (ME) conducted Mr. Floyd’s autopsy on May 26, 2020. The fullreport of the ME is pending but the ME has made the following preliminary findings. The autopsy revealedno physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation.
    Does anybody have anything more recent than just the complaint, which can be found here?
     

    Axxe55

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    The federal DOJ is running an independent investigation into the death of George Floyd, which they could end up filing additional charges against former officer Chauvin, and could possibly charge the other three officers as well.

    The video of Chauvin with his knee on Floyd's neck for almost nine minutes is really bad IMO. Granted, IF Floyd had some underlying heart problems or other health issues that could be contributors to his death, Chauvin wouldn't have known that, but when Floyd said he couldn't breathe, Chauvin didn't back off, but instead continued to keep his knee on Floyd's neck. That is wrong. He continued even after Floyd went limp. That is even worse. He showed no concern whatsoever for the welfare and safety of Floyd in any way.

    IF Floyd did have heart problems, wouldn't lack of blood flow aggravate the condition and could lead to death? (I'm not a doctor.) but IMO I would suspect that it could. I think an official ME report on cause of death would be very enlightening.

    I think much information is going to come out in the next few weeks that will shed some light on the events of the day.
     

    ZX9RCAM

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    Watching Live PD, you often hear the perp say "I can't breathe".
    The officers reply usually is, "if you can talk, you can breathe ".


    ETA: This doesn't mean he is any less guilty.
     

    Brains

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    Which is true - if you're talking, you're breathing. If you're losing consciousness due to restricted blood flow to the brain, and someone is on your neck, I could see how it would be tough to articulate your thoughts well enough to say "I'm passing out man, please ease up on my jugular"
     
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