I went to the range today and left confused.....

Texas Heat · Apr 8, 2020

I went to squeeze off a few rounds. I took the kitchen sink with me, mostly stuff I knew needed cleaning. I grabbed the nightstand gun, my current EDC, couple TX22s because I needed to adjust the sights and an AR that has never been shot. The AR was the only one to give me an error. I should have cleaned and oiled it first. The TX22s dialed in perfect. I love them. My EDC has a green laser that I couldn't find the tool for this morning and of course it is off slightly. The nightstand gun has suppressor height sights that are hard to see in the dark. I need to change those. Here is the confusing part...

It was free rental day and I have been toying with a new EDC since they're getting so compact these days. I grabbed the P365, Hellcat and G43X. My groups were about the exact same with the 365 and Hellcat. I can tell the hellcat hasn't been fired a lot and felt a little gritty and needed to smooth out or wasn't cleaned well. If you can't decide between those two, neither could I. I guess it's just whichever floats your boat. Here is the odd part of the day. I have never shot a Glock well. They don't fit in my hand right and I don't like them. I shot the hell out of this G43X. I have never shot a Glock so well in my life. Groupings were unreal for me. I figured maybe I was just warmed up better but no. I loaded them all up, got a clean target and gave each gun its own ring. Is the G43X just completely different from the gen 4 G19 that I grew to hate. For the first time ever, I think I may buy a Glock.

lonestardiver · Apr 8, 2020

toddnjoyce · Apr 8, 2020

Texas Heat said:
Here is the confusing part...I think I may buy a Glock.

It’s s a trick you’ll regret. Glock is the devil; just ask [mention]Moonpie [/mention]

Vaquero · Apr 8, 2020

Rona? Is that you?

oldag · Apr 8, 2020

Sorry to hear that.

Axxe55 · Apr 8, 2020

Velly intellesting!

DyeF9 · Apr 8, 2020

Sounds like you got Glockphilia, you should probably check into a hospital.

If you do like the 43x though and get one, the game changer imo is the Shield S15 15 round flush fit mag. Gotta get a metal mag release too, and they're a bit pricey, but having 15 rounds in a gun that small is awesome.

tonelar · Apr 8, 2020

I cannot shoot full size Glocks well... dunno why, it just is. That said, I tried a G26 once and ate up the ten ring at under 10 yards. Pushed the target back to the wall (15 yards) and my groups opened up to include the inside edge of the nine ring.

I'm better with my Sig228 but not a whole lot better. I bought a G26 and even got a used G19 (based on that experience). Both have been great handguns for me.

Couple months ago, a neighbor came with to the desert and had a G17. Yeah, I tried it and still wasn't able to hit a tin can at under 10 yards. He wanted to shoot my G26, he couldn't get hits with it. Turns out, he didn't like it's grip at all.

Is the 43x larger than the 43?

Texas Heat · Apr 8, 2020

tonelar said:
I cannot shoot full size Glocks well... dunno why, it just is. That said, I tried a G26 once and ate up the ten ring at under 10 yards. Pushed the target back to the wall (15 yards) and my groups opened up to include the inside edge of the nine ring.

I'm better with my Sig228 but not a whole lot better. I bought a G26 and even got a used G19 (based on that experience). Both have been great handguns for me.

Couple months ago, a neighbor came with to the desert and had a G17. Yeah, I tried it and still wasn't able to hit a tin can at under 10 yards. He wanted to shoot my G26, he couldn't get hits with it. Turns out, he didn't like it's grip at all.

Is the 43x larger than the 43?

My understanding from a quick glance over because Glocks never interested me before is that it's the regular G43 slide with a longer grip from the 48.

SQLGeek · Apr 8, 2020

My guess is the lack of finger grooves on the newer model helped with your grip.

Damn the haters. Shoot what you want. Beats work.

DyeF9 · Apr 8, 2020

I shoot Glocks fairly well. The 43x is a good shooter. They almost finally got my money, but no optics cut made me finally talk myself out of it

mitchntx · Apr 8, 2020

Which oil is best?

Texas Heat · Apr 9, 2020

mitchntx said:
Which oil is best?

Since you asked, I am using Shooters Lube these days and I haven't found any I like better yet. I admittedly haven't used them all but compared to the regular stuff you find at Academy, I like it better.

Glenn B · Apr 9, 2020

I've never fired a handgun (revolver or semi-auto) in typical self-defense calibers, that was in good working order and inherently accurate and that was using factory fresh ammo in good condition, that I could not shoot fairly well. I've fired a variety made by: Beretta, Browning, Colt, Dan Wesson, Glock, High Standard, Ortgies, Ruger, SIG, S&W, CZ, Kahr to name several and did okay with each. I also never failed getting a miserable shooter, who was willing to listen and to actually follow instructions, to improve his or her accuracy when I had collateral duties as an instructor on my job. Not bragging - just fact.

When someone told me they could not shoot a certain gun well because of it's size or shape or because it was a dreaded Glock or a dreaded whatever - or when they just stank at shooting - I'd get them shooting better (good enough to qualify) usually within an hour (after repeated instruction most of them remained at a competent level). While the gun sometimes may make some difference (like an old S&W Model 60 with those ridiculously small grips and you shooting +P rounds out of it), or the physical attributes of the shooter may do likewise (such as huge or tiny hands, less than average normal strength, deformity or handicap) I came to find, in the great majority of cases (I'd say around 90% if not higher), it usually wasn't the gun or the grip angle - it usually was the shooter and the shooter's attitude that made the big difference in how the shots were placed. So if you can shoot a Glock 43X accurately then you can (not saying that you do but that you are able to) shoot a Glock 19 just as or almost as accurately in the same way that you could a Colt 1911 or a Beretta 92FS or almost any other normal handgun. Granted, a new grip angle, new trigger pull, new grip size and such may take some getting used to but nothing that should not be cured after firing 50 to 100 rounds at the most, that is if you stick to the basics and you were already a decent shot with another handgun (of the same type revolver or semi-auto). Of course, you can keep on fooling yourself into thinking it's the gun's fault, when you shoot one okay and another terribly, as you like.

Texas Heat · Apr 9, 2020

Glenn B said:
I've never fired a handgun (revolver or semi-auto) in typical self-defense calibers, that was in good working order and inherently accurate and that was using factory fresh ammo in good condition, that I could not shoot fairly well. I've fired a variety made by: Beretta, Browning, Colt, Dan Wesson, Glock, High Standard, Ortgies, Ruger, SIG, S&W, CZ, Kahr to name several and did okay with each. I also never failed getting a miserable shooter, who was willing to listen and to actually follow instructions, to improve his or her accuracy when I had collateral duties as an instructor on my job. Not bragging - just fact.

When someone told me they could not shoot a certain gun well because of it's size or shape or because it was a dreaded Glock or a dreaded whatever - or when they just stank at shooting - I'd get them shooting better (good enough to qualify) usually within an hour (after repeated instruction most of them remained at a competent level). While the gun sometimes may make some difference (like an old S&W Model 60 with those ridiculously small grips and you shooting +P rounds out of it), or the physical attributes of the shooter may do likewise (such as huge or tiny hands, less than average normal strength, deformity or handicap) I came to find, in the great majority of cases (I'd say around 90% if not higher), it usually wasn't the gun or the grip angle - it usually was the shooter and the shooter's attitude that made the big difference in how the shots were placed. So if you can shoot a Glock 43X accurately then you can (not saying that you do but that you are able to) shoot a Glock 19 just as or almost as accurately in the same way that you could a Colt 1911 or a Beretta 92FS or almost any other normal handgun. Granted, a new grip angle, new trigger pull, new grip size and such may take some getting used to but nothing that should not be cured after firing 50 to 100 rounds at the most, that is if you stick to the basics and you were already a decent shot with another handgun (of the same type revolver or semi-auto). Of course, you can keep on fooling yourself into thinking it's the gun's fault, when you shoot one okay and another terribly, as you like.

I never said I shot any of them horribly. Let's not get crazy.

If you want to say no guns have a better natural point and aim than any other, I'd disagree with you. Grip size and angle do matter. Of course you can train your way into shooting any of them well. That wasn't the point. I'd rather start with the one that feels good in my hand than force it.

candcallen · Apr 9, 2020

Glock perfections for tiny womanly hands men.

Glenn B · Apr 9, 2020

I was not saying you said you shot them terribly, that was meant in general. Sorry if I presented it in a way so that you thought I was aiming that at you; I was making a statement in general about folks who say it is the gun at fault and just flowing along with the context of the thread. Anyway, for the most part in my experience, I have found it to be the shooter at fault and not the gun or its design even though the design may cause a shooter to do things a little differently, I have concluded it is usually the shooter who needs to overcome his or her own shortcomings when the shots are not on target as much as they would like. Enjoy the Glock 43X when you get one, please post pics.

BRD@66 · Apr 9, 2020

mitchntx said:
Which oil is best?

TxStetson · Apr 9, 2020

Texas Heat said:
Is the G43X just completely different from the gen 4 G19 that I grew to hate.

The original G42 and G43 had better triggers than the Gen 4's. Then Glock introduced the Gen 5's which had even better triggers. I shoot the Gen 5's better than all the previous Glocks, and I have been considering a Gen 5 G19 for a while now. The G43X's trigger is even better than the Gen 5's in my opinion. The only reason I haven't bought a 43X or a Gen 5 G19 is because I sold all 4 of my previous Glocks because I didn't like them and never shot them.

toddnjoyce · Apr 9, 2020

TxStetson said:
The original G42 and G43 had better triggers than the Gen 4's. Then Glock introduced the Gen 5's which had even better triggers.

Have they fixed the brick-like grip? That’s what I’ve never been able to get past.

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