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  • Kar98

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    Didn't know that. My last new Remington was the R1 1911 that I bought in about 2012. I have bought lots of model 700's but not new since the early 2000's.

    I bought my R1 on June 10, 2018, for $540.17. And the DPMS Panther Oracle for $449.99 in March of that year.
    Still got the R1 (with some improvements), and it's awesome. I ditched the AR many months ago because I hated the lower level gas block and the little nub of 1913 rail. But at least it came with four free mags.
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    Txhillbilly

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    Say what you want about DPMS,but their large frame AR's were pretty good rifles and most aftermarket large frame AR's are based off the DPMS platform.
    My LR260H has always been an accurate and reliable firearm. The only factory AR15 that I have is a RRA Varminter - great rifle,all the other ones I have,I assembled.
     

    HKShooter65

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    DPMS is a serious loss for one, under-appreciated reason shown here:
    https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1003457843

    They made, in my experience, the best dedicated 22lr AR15 upper in existence.
    Drop straight on any standard AR15 lower.

    It was not terribly expensive at less that $400.

    Solidly built and crazy reliable with the Black Dog mags.

    I have 3.
    A bull barrel super accurate 16"
    A bull barrel I had cut to 5 inches and threaded for my SBR lower with a can it's a joy.
    An M4 configuration that has perfect M4 heft and handling.
    https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1003452134

    THOSE 22lr DPMS uppers are a loss to our shooting avocation!
     

    busykngt

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    Nope. The lawsuit is going through against Remington.
    Yep, that’s what I recall and was in reference to. The judge was allowing the lawsuit to proceed against what was name branded Bushmaster in the lawsuit - part of Remington - as of about a year ago (...maybe, year & half ago).

    IIRC, the lawsuit itself sidestepped the actual liability issue of the gun and focused more on how it was being marketed (supposedly, towards younger kids). That’s how the lawsuit was getting around the law designed to relieve gun manufacturers from product liability lawsuits. I never heard anything more about the outcome of the court case. But I know Remington also went into bankruptcy so maybe they were expecting that re-org to help out in settling that lawsuit.
     
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    usedtobelockhart

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    I bought an Oracle DPMS back in 2014 at Cabelas. Didnt really need one, just that the jug-eared, horse-faced idiot that we had for President at that time stated that I had no use for one! Good enuff reason for me to buy one. Having said that, I have had no problems with mine. It shoots well, and I only have surplus military mags for it. Never jams, never mis-fired. What more could I want? And, I only paid 425.00 for it.
     

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    I bought an Oracle DPMS back in 2014 at Cabelas. Didnt really need one, just that the jug-eared, horse-faced idiot that we had for President at that time stated that I had no use for one! Good enuff reason for me to buy one. Having said that, I have had no problems with mine. It shoots well, and I only have surplus military mags for it. Never jams, never mis-fired. What more could I want? And, I only paid 425.00 for it.
    Yes, but you're not one of the cool kids unless it says Daniel Defense on it.
     

    roadapple

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    DPMS originally was a defense contractor. I wonder of they still do that and spun off the ARs.

    Defense Procurement Material.....
    The original parent company of Bushmaster was 'Quality Parts', when they were made in Windham Maine. Like DPMS, Quality Parts also started as a defense contractor. After Remington Arms absorbed Bushmaster, the facility in Maine, where Bushmasters were made, reorganized and started selling good quality AR's again. Today, they call themselves 'Windham Weaponry". They still make the unique AR's that were made under the Bushmaster banner. Everything, that is except the designs that sold with the Bushmaster brand. We need to start many AR manufacturing companies, organize them all into a union of sorts, and use them to outnumber the leftist gun-grabbers.
     

    candcallen

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    The original parent company of Bushmaster was 'Quality Parts', when they were made in Windham Maine. Like DPMS, Quality Parts also started as a defense contractor. After Remington Arms absorbed Bushmaster, the facility in Maine, where Bushmasters were made, reorganized and started selling good quality AR's again. Today, they call themselves 'Windham Weaponry". They still make the unique AR's that were made under the Bushmaster banner. Everything, that is except the designs that sold with the Bushmaster brand. We need to start many AR manufacturing companies, organize them all into a union of sorts, and use them to outnumber the leftist gun-grabbers.
    That's a heavy lift with the huge upfront overhead in CNC machines. The actual software plans packets programing to make an AR on stuff out of patent is cheap. The machines and tooling arent.

    You would need to find companies to deal with that had equipment and the willingness to partner or funding.
     

    Sam7sf

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    This thread needs porn.
    Stag on the left. Other is a dpms.
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    pronstar

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    That's a heavy lift with the huge upfront overhead in CNC machines. The actual software plans packets programing to make an AR on stuff out of patent is cheap. The machines and tooling arent.

    You would need to find companies to deal with that had equipment and the willingness to partner or funding.

    Reminds me of an article I read about AK’s being “cheap to manufacture”.

    They are when you have a factory the size of a small city churn them out...but nothing inherent in the design makes them significantly cheaper than other stamped rifles.


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    candcallen

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    Reminds me of an article I read about AK’s being “cheap to manufacture”.

    They are when you have a factory the size of a small city them out...but nothing inherent in the design makes them significantly cheaper than other stamped rifles.


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    Another thing is QC. It's not cheap in equipment or qualified people. It's always where shortcuts come back to bite you in the form of out of spec products which is usually the result of worn tooling. Again a cost cutting area.

    I wish it were as simple as hiring a bunch of peshmerga kids to make ARs under trees.
     

    peakshooter

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    On a related note...what would anyone estimate the value of a Bushmaster AR with EOTech target finder on it to be? I have an opportunity to buy that rig for $600.
     

    candcallen

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    Old or new?

    I've had origional Bushmasters that were every bit as good as colts. They had samne receiver manufacturer's etc. Pre and post ban IIRC. That means 1990s and early 2000s

    First you gotta make sure it's a real EOTech. Forgive me if I'm wrong but I'm assuming by how you described it you're not that familiar with them. Goto EOTech website and they have info on how to tell a fake. There are a gazillion fakes and you have to know how to tell the difference. Dont want to pay 300 bucks for a 25 dollar chicom sight.

    Second what kind of bushmaster. They have carbon fiber models that had reputations of not always running. Does it have back up sights or a carry handle too?

    Also ARs quality revolve mainly around assembly and gas systems. Ofcourse there are premium parts but let's face it ..they arent always necessary or worth the money nowdays.

    You wanna check the BCG assembly and stakeing on the cas key. And bolt and carrier steel.. check the front sight gas block. Beyond that there are a gazillion different opinions on all the parts pieces and their brands and importiants of said brands. If it's a plain Bushmaster unmolested checking assembly is most important. Really all you can do on a used gun. Besides remember that a premium bolt carrier group can be had for 50 to 75 bucks if you watch prices well.

    Also check the barrel extension for rough finishing on the lugs and also feed ramps. This is an area that gets lost in corner cutting but also one that usually fixes itself after a bit of use. You check it to gage quality on stuff you cant see.

    So a used EOTECH is 250 to 300 dollars +/-. A used bushmaster is right now, not knowing the model and inspecting the parts, 450 to 500 dollars +/-.

    Always break down the cost of packages like this to make sure you're getting a good deal. In this case if everything checks out I wouldn't get heart burn over that price for those two as a package. A fair deal probably in your favor a bit.

    Be prepared, a dozen people will come along with different opinions and that's the way it is in ARs, aka legos for adults.
    There are Bushmaster heaters and brand snobs. That's just the way it is with ARs.
     
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    Having bought a ACR when they were new and hot, it surprises me a little. The ACR is an incredibly well designed weapon. Others even borrowed the stock for their designs.
    I remember picking up a SCAR16 and shaking it hearing all of the rattles. The ACR is like an HK with the solid build quality and rattle free build.
    I had always wanted to get a .300 kit for it. No way I am selling it unless I have to. Other rifles hope to be as good. Having a .223 with a folding stock is the way to go.
    My brother has the standard M4 and loves it.
     
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