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  • benenglish

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    Any ideas to get rid of it?
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    I'd rather pay a sales tax, which I can avoid by not buying stuff,
    Plenty of schemes have been floated to replace all taxes with a sales tax. It certainly could be done.

    The best estimates I've seen conclude that the tax rate would exceed 30 percent and probably be very close to 40 percent. And rates that low could only be achieved if there were no exemptions; the tax would apply to services, large purchases like homes, raw material for manufacturing, etc.

    Most people couldn't tolerate having the true tax rate shoved in their faces like that.
     

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    You could serve a couple of years if your young enough. Tax exemptions on the property you reside if your a Texan that is. Also based on disability rating. Go in break a leg for ole uncle sam and be permanently disabled to get a tax exemption.


    Eta: Sacrcasm obviously

    A broken leg isn't going to get it done. You gotta be pretty screwed up to get that brass ring.

    I pay no property taxes here in Texas due to being a P&T Veteran. I'd rather have my health back.
     

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    Prove it... and they don't do their jobs anyway

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    I don't have to prove it. Any blithering idiot knows that if schools have an empty bank account they will shut down. They have teachers to pay, bills to pay, etc. See how long your company stays open with no income. Can't believe anyone would even say such a thing.

    Yes, some school districts are not good. But not all are bad.
     

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    Plenty of schemes have been floated to replace all taxes with a sales tax. It certainly could be done.

    The best estimates I've seen conclude that the tax rate would exceed 30 percent and probably be very close to 40 percent. And rates that low could only be achieved if there were no exemptions; the tax would apply to services, large purchases like homes, raw material for manufacturing, etc.

    Most people couldn't tolerate having the true tax rate shoved in their faces like that.
    I don't think it ever would be done, because that would quickly bring back the barter system which is obviously very tough for the government to enforce tax collection. Heck I bet most people don't even know our tax laws include collecting tax on bartering.
     

    Moonpie

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    Gunz are icky.
    Road Mileage tax is coming.
    High mileage hybrid vehicles will cause it.
    Big .gov is getting antsy about the drop in gasoline tax revenue.
     

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    Road Mileage tax is coming.
    High mileage hybrid vehicles will cause it.
    Big .gov is getting antsy about the drop in gasoline tax revenue.
    Probably so.

    Maybe they should just put a tax on the charging stations - per kW. Nice and high, since those folks like to support the global warming cult.
     

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    The sales tax thing *can* be done - i.e., mechanically, it can be made to work. The whole country of Belize operates that way; or at least used to, back during the 1970s & 80s. (I have no idea if it’s still their sole source of filling the national coffers). But it did work.

    It leads to its own set of weirdness concerning consumerism. Like only the ultra wealthy tend to buy “new” things - ordinary people buy only “used” items. Kinda like Cuba with all their vintage, circa 1950s cars still rolling around. All imports are heavily taxed, including raw construction materials. The newest of buildings tend to only be government buildings.
     

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    Any blithering idiot knows that if schools have an empty bank account they will shut down. They have teachers to pay, bills to pay, etc.
    Any smoothbrain dimwit knows there are schools that are directly funded by parents, philanthropists, and other organizations like churches. There's also curriculums that are designed to be instructed by parents, and even schools that are totally free that can be accessed from anywhere in the world with an internet connection.

    Any slobbering imbecile knows that having the education system rely on tax money has created a self feeding beast that teaches children big government collectivism, and we obviously need new ways of funding education.

    Can't believe anyone would even say such a thing.
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    benenglish

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    The sales tax thing...leads to its own set of weirdness concerning consumerism.
    All taxes distort markets. The question is always "Is this the distortion we want?"

    Or, to put it more politically, "Is this the distortion that my donors bribed, uh, donated to my campaign so I would help create/maintain it?" :)

    Seriously, even back when the country ran on (mostly) exim tariffs, those taxes distorted the exim markets, strongly encouraging manufacturing to take place inside the country using raw materials from inside the country. That sounds great but when you dig far enough into it you see that those distortions limit growth. Now, it's a judgement call whether limited growth is an acceptable price to pay for the advantages (mostly security-related) of a system like that.

    We chose a long time ago to use a bunch of different taxes to create a bunch of different market distortions, each of which is believed by somebody to be a public good.

    Every single one of those market distortions has a politically-connected constituency fiercely dedicated to preserving it.

    So good luck getting that genie back in the bottle.
     

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    Mileage tax is fine by me.
    Those who use the roads pay can for them.
    IF, and only if, they do away with the taxes paid at the pump.
    Which we know they will never do.

    So define "use the roads" Guy driving 75 miles a day in West Texas where the speed limit is 75 mph so he only drives an hour, or the guy living in Dallas/Houston who drives 15 miles a day, but spends 3 hours on the road due to traffic? And what about the guy paying to drive on a toll road to avoid the traffic? Does he pay extra with the tax and the toll?
     

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    The entire Government run school system is a money sink. Most private schools do much more with way less.

    I don't have numbers for Texas so I'll fall back to Portland OR.

    The Jesuit high school in Portland charged $13K per year. It's a private school associated with the Catholic church. The students there consistently scored very high in state mandated testing.

    Portland Public Schools were spending $21k per student with mostly dismal results.

    1. Get the Government out of the school business. The ONLY thing Government should do is collect school taxes and issue vouchers to parents. Parents then can take that voucher to whatever school they want.
    2. Get sports out of the school system. If you want your kid to play sports then join a club and pay for it.
    3. Schools should teach reading, writing, math, science, and civics/social studies.
    4. Get rid of the current schedule. Teachers work a part time job. Go to a six weeks on, two weeks off schedule, year round. It's patently stupid to have schools sitting empty for the entire summer. Also this should make it so that the average student can obtain a high school education by the time they are 16.
    5. Go back to teaching practical skills, welding, auto shop, wood shop, metal shop, plumbing, electrical work. Stuff that pays a living wage.
    6. At the 9th grade level allow students to pick a path, college bound or skills based. By the age of 18 students should either have an associates degree OR have a journeyman's skill level.
    7. Scrap the whole idea of spending stupid amounts of money on the lowest 10% of the students. Instead spend that money on the top 10%.
    8. Scrap the idea that schools should be medical babysitting for profoundly disabled kids. I'm sorry that your kid was born blind, deaf, and mute with severe brain damage. Your kid isn't "learning" anything at school. Hell, your kid doesn't even know they are in school. There's no reason that a school should be forced to pay for medical transportation for your kid, two nurses and three therapists to "teach" your kid. There was a school district that was spending HALF it's transpiration budget to move ONE profoundly disabled girl to and from school. It was an ambulance ride each way.
    9. Break the grip of the NEA on education.
    10. Get rid of the Department of Education at the federal level.

    The Government run school system is failing students. High school students are reading at an average of 5th grade level. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/top-reading_n_1373680

    To me that's functionally illiterate.

    Most high school graduates can't do basic consumer math without a calculator. They don't understand basic science. But they can tell you all about the 205 genders.
     
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