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  • candcallen

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    Semi long rant ahead.

    You know that feeling when you are almost disgusted with yourself after walking away from some POS who most definitely needs the shortcomings in their personality beat out of them? I mean you are doing the responsible thing and usually the right thing for any number of reasons like you're armed or matured to the point where the reward isnt worth the risk. Even so it's so frustrating.

    Let's take that further and the situation is such that every fiber of you're being is screaming kill that Mo Fo piece of shit.

    I relive that and struggle with it still a few times a year 10+ years later.

    My daughter was 9 or 10 at the time. Being disabled and the stay home parent I did all the running around and taxi services that entails. One day I pick her up at school and a teacher had his arm around her as he was supervising the pick ups after school. It was immediately obvious she wasnt comfortable with this.

    After a couple days of watching him and the kids interact it was clear my daughter wasnt alone in this so when I pick her up I tell him she isnt comfortable with that and regardless of that in this day and age it's not appropriate for a teacher to do that with any students much less a Male and girls. The instant I saw his body language and heard him talk I knew he was a predator, as I've been around hundreds if not thousands and they all just have a way about them. So I said I mean it. I'm dead serious. No problem he says and i leave.

    A couple days later i see him again do this with a few kids my daughter included. I said are you dense or something? I immediately left my car in the line and went to tell the principal that this ends now and I want my daughter out of his class. Oh by the way that guy is a child molester or well on his way and you should probably deal with this. Ok they said we will look into it and move your daughter but it will take a couple days.

    The next evening we were at a science fair type function at school. I walk into his room and there he is again with his arm around my daughter and her body language screamed out that she was obviously disgusted and at the least fearful . He saw me and stopped but turned to put his arm around a boy this time.

    I hollered his name "Townley, I need to talk to you out side". He came into the hall but wouldnt go further so I told him right in front of everyone that this is the last time I'm gonna tell you to not do that. Apparently he felt like he had to do or say something cause everone in the hall was now focused on him so the little prick got all indignant and copped an attitude and raised his voice saying you're not my boss and I.... well that was it for my self control and I slammed that little phuck against the wall hard enough that his knees buckled for a second when his head hit the wall. I then told him if you so much as stand closer than 5 feet of my daughter i will end you and will die where you stand and if you respond with anything but yes to me that will come to pass right now.

    As the other parents and principal pulled me off them I said to watch your kids around this guy hes a pervert and told the principal I already warned you about this guy so do something or I will hold you personally responsible.

    The next day my daughter was removed from his class and he wasnt allowed to be around kids except in class, I guess because they had cameras in the room.

    Fast forward 2 weeks and he doesn't show up for school and I called and ask why and was told he was sick. I didn't believe it so I asked for the principal and got the same answer and I said are you sure it didnt have to do with what I had been complaining about and she said no which was a lie. I found this out later as she knew he was arrested 3 days earlier for a massive child porn and predator ring that was nation wide. I said If you're lying to me after I told you this a couple weeks ago I will make sure every victims family and lawyers who sue you know you enabled a child predator to stalk these kids and continued even after you were told.

    Lots of people got fired and the district paid out a lot of money. To this day I regret not killing that bastard and him and those like him are why I think the death penalty should be expanded to these predators. Any ars raping or beating in prison would never be adequate punnishment and probably would be rare as these phucktards are in some kind of segregated custody like locked down or protective custody to keep them from getting killed.

    Anyways, I was thinking about this cause I've been getting a crap load of calls from Colorado and wondering who I know in Colorado and then it hit me! That phuck did his federal time in the max custody fed prison in Colorado and lives there now that hes out. No, I dont think the calls are from him just and odd coincidence.

    Heres the pos. The info is from public records

    https://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/COXX18219463/Tyler-Andrew-Townley.html

    Rant off.
     

    txinvestigator

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    What's your background dealing with potentially thousands of predators? Not doubting you, just don't remember.

    I have a good instinct for people based on body language and other behaviors gathered from just 10 years as a street cop. One weekday afternoon I took my then 12 or 13 year old daughter to a local breakfast/lunch spot. As we got out of the car I saw a guy come around from behind the building walking towards to front parking lot, and his attention was focused on the restaurant. He clearly wasn't going to a car in the parking lot, he was using it for cover.

    I stayed outside in front and sent my daughter in. I watched this guy and he was definately up to something. It wasn't obvious to my daughter, she reminded me I wasn't a cop anymore...lol

    I watched him for a while and took some video of him. I don't think he ever saw me. I went inside and asked the owner if she knew who the guy was and described him. She immediately recognized him as the ex of one of the waitresses and had been stalking her. I went back outside to watch him while they call the police. He finally started towards the door of the restaurant, so I stepped in front of him and told him "not today". He immediately postured and I just told him he could leave before the cops arrived or leave in an ambulance under police guard.

    He bowed up but eventually walked off from where he came. Don't know if the cops ever found him. The moral of the story is that I was not going to allow him.inside, and I do not regret that.

    Trust your gut. Every damn time I have ignored mine I have regretted it.
     

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    Don't regret not killing him though he clearly deserved it, would have only robbed your daughter of your presence, guidance and protection. I have 3 daughters and feel your pain, but you did the right thing as hard as it was.
     

    cycleguy2300

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    What's your background dealing with potentially thousands of predators? Not doubting you, just don't remember.

    I have a good instinct for people based on body language and other behaviors gathered from just 10 years as a street cop. One weekday afternoon I took my then 12 or 13 year old daughter to a local breakfast/lunch spot. As we got out of the car I saw a guy come around from behind the building walking towards to front parking lot, and his attention was focused on the restaurant. He clearly wasn't going to a car in the parking lot, he was using it for cover.

    I stayed outside in front and sent my daughter in. I watched this guy and he was definately up to something. It wasn't obvious to my daughter, she reminded me I wasn't a cop anymore...lol

    I watched him for a while and took some video of him. I don't think he ever saw me. I went inside and asked the owner if she knew who the guy was and described him. She immediately recognized him as the ex of one of the waitresses and had been stalking her. I went back outside to watch him while they call the police. He finally started towards the door of the restaurant, so I stepped in front of him and told him "not today". He immediately postured and I just told him he could leave before the cops arrived or leave in an ambulance under police guard.

    He bowed up but eventually walked off from where he came. Don't know if the cops ever found him. The moral of the story is that I was not going to allow him.inside, and I do not regret that.

    Trust your gut. Every damn time I have ignored mine I have regretted it.
    So you ran him off before the cops could arrive and do something for real, like maybe arrest him.

    I am sure you felt it necessary, esp since you were a cop, and I will happily give you the benefit of the doubt, but for most people the really need to ask "what's the rush?" 90% of the time waiting for on-duty police is the overwhelmingly best option for everyone.
    Did you see a weapon? How do you know he is unarmed? Will bystanders think you are the aggressor? People always need to ask what is pushing them to act NOW, vs waiting for additional resources.

    Usually, it applies to vehicle burglars, but most of the BOV calls were "I just ran 3 kids off who where breaking into my car" with no description, no direction or travel, no nothing...

    I am not second guessing your decision, but GENERALLY I would rather catch the guy on scene, than have to work from witnesses descriptions and I want to point out some dangers most people who aren't used to situations like this often overlook

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    Do I ever feel frustrated that I let idiots get away with being such idiots? Yes. Daily. Most folks call it traffic. It's the ones who are to engrossed in their cell phones to have any clue how to drive, or the ones going 10 mph below the speed limit just sitting in the fast lane, but will speed up and not let you around them when you try.

    If I ever hit the lotto, those folks are gonna be surprised. 1 ton truck, big bumper, gas pedal, woops my fault, here's my insurance. Hope it was worth it for you......
     

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    So you ran him off before the cops could arrive and do something for real, like maybe arrest him.

    I am sure you felt it necessary, esp since you were a cop, and I will happily give you the benefit of the doubt, but for most people the really need to ask "what's the rush?" 90% of the time waiting for on-duty police is the overwhelmingly best option for everyone.
    Did you see a weapon? How do you know he is unarmed? Will bystanders think you are the aggressor? People always need to ask what is pushing them to act NOW, vs waiting for additional resources.

    Usually, it applies to vehicle burglars, but most of the BOV calls were "I just ran 3 kids off who where breaking into my car" with no description, no direction or travel, no nothing...

    I am not second guessing your decision, but GENERALLY I would rather catch the guy on scene, than have to work from witnesses descriptions and I want to point out some dangers most people who aren't used to situations like this often overlook

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    He hadn't done anything for the cops to arrest him, and I damn wasn't going to let him enter once I knew who he was.
    And I don't need your benefit of the doubt, don't really GAF what you think
     

    candcallen

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    I've told plenty of people to kick rocks. Even when working off duty, there are times a cost benefit analysis needs done. Shoplifters, trespassers etc. There are times that someone technically could be detained but is it worth occupying your time for a couple hours? That good will may be a good investment down the road. Even property owners realise there has to be some discretion.

    What's your background dealing with potentially thousands of predators? Not doubting you, just don't remember.

    I have a good instinct for people based on body language and other behaviors gathered from just 10 years as a street cop. One weekday afternoon I took my then 12 or 13 year old daughter to a local breakfast/lunch spot. As we got out of the car I saw a guy come around from behind the building walking towards to front parking lot, and his attention was focused on the restaurant. He clearly wasn't going to a car in the parking lot, he was using it for cover.

    I stayed outside in front and sent my daughter in. I watched this guy and he was definately up to something. It wasn't obvious to my daughter, she reminded me I wasn't a cop anymore...lol

    I watched him for a while and took some video of him. I don't think he ever saw me. I went inside and asked the owner if she knew who the guy was and described him. She immediately recognized him as the ex of one of the waitresses and had been stalking her. I went back outside to watch him while they call the police. He finally started towards the door of the restaurant, so I stepped in front of him and told him "not today". He immediately postured and I just told him he could leave before the cops arrived or leave in an ambulance under police guard.

    He bowed up but eventually walked off from where he came. Don't know if the cops ever found him. The moral of the story is that I was not going to allow him.inside, and I do not regret that.

    Trust your gut. Every damn time I have ignored mine I have regretted it.

    I spent part of my career with a sex offender unit until we had so many they had to create a whole prison complex for them. 750 of the bastards for several years.

    I agree with the gut especially after you season it for a few years. And by season I mean taken to school by way of repeated failure. Lol
     
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    He hadn't done anything for the cops to arrest him, and I damn wasn't going to let him enter once I knew who he was.
    And I don't need your benefit of the doubt, don't really GAF what you think
    And you checked him for warrants before running him off right? My whole point is you didn't have the tools, authority or knowledge to do much of anything but make yourself feel tough and it got in the way of people that have tools, authority and knowledge to actually solve some problems longer term.

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    Tldr but i assume the pos is a chester
    No.

    According to the link and the underlying database, his only conviction was for receiving child pornography. Chester, on the other hand, was a molester.

    I know that to some that's a distinction without a difference.

    As an aside: Is there something wrong with me that while I join everyone in condemning molesters I thought that the Chester the Molester comics were usually very funny? I dunno; I haven't seen one in 20 years so maybe I'd feel differently today but I distinctly remember laughing at them back in the 1980s.
     

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    No.

    According to the link and the underlying database, his only conviction was for receiving child pornography. Chester, on the other hand, was a molester.

    I know that to some that's a distinction without a difference.

    As an aside: Is there something wrong with me that while I join everyone in condemning molesters I thought that the Chester the Molester comics were usually very funny? I dunno; I haven't seen one in 20 years so maybe I'd feel differently today but I distinctly remember laughing at them back in the 1980s.
    They was funny. But today no one can take a joke.
     

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    Its truly a different wold brother. You know that as well as anybody.
    That's a big topic deserving a thread of its own.

    My short take, though, is that it's not a different world. We go through swings in one direction and then another where various behaviors are considered acceptable or not. However, I don't think the human soul changes. The world of human interaction stays the same over the long haul. Behavioral and cultural fashions go in and out of style.

    The problem, of course, is that in the span of a single human lifetime it may appear than things have changed and the world is different. So, yes, from my emotional perspective it's a different world. Intellectually, though, I know this is just a blip on the radar. Whatever is wrong will be put right and vice versa, over and over, in cycles that take a thousand years or more.

    I guess I'm weird inasmuch as I take comfort in that.
     
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