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  • BillFairbanks

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    I disagree on one point. The Earth and humans can't both be healthier. One or the other.

    In general we are viruses on this planet. Healthier, longer living, and in general more humans means a less healthy Earth.

    Lol

    Not true.

    Why the hate for humanity? Without humanity, the Earth is irrelevant.

    I like humans. I like life. I also like eating tasty animals.


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    HKShooter65

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    Why the hate for humanity? Without humanity, the Earth is irrelevant.

    I like humans. I like life. I also like eating tasty animals.

    How so?
    The earth and complex life have been here billions of years.
    Likely to be true for billions more, with or without our newish mammalian species.

    The earth would be scarcely different had we never come on the scene.

    The deeper question is why should we think we are anything special in our place on a rather tiny pale blue dot in a rather mundane outer arm of a rather ordinary galaxy...one of 150,000 million other inconsequential galaxies.

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    Religion verboten!!!
     

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    How so?
    The earth and complex life have been here billions of years.
    Likely to be true for billions more, with or without our newish mammalian species.

    The earth would be scarcely different had we never come on the scene.

    The deeper question is why should we think we are anything special in our place on a rather tiny pale blue dot in a rather mundane outer arm of a rather ordinary galaxy...one of 150,000 million other inconsequential galaxies.

    Spoiler alert:
    Religion verboten!!!

    As far as we know, we’re the only intelligent species capable of observing the Universe ever created in the universe. I think that’s pretty darn special. We are also part of the planet. We’re not separate from nature. We are completely natural.

    Feel however you want about humanity. I however love humanity and think we as humans should do what’s best for humanity.


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    As far as we know, we’re the only intelligent species capable of observing the Universe ever created in the universe. I think that’s pretty darn special. We are also part of the planet. We’re not separate from nature. We are completely natural.

    I concede:
    OK, you are absolutely and honorably correct.

    Although....my, forever untestable, hypothesis is that had it not been for the stupendously life-altering Chicxulub meteorite impact about 66,043,000 years ago the general theory of relativity would have been described by a very bright reptile working as a Swiss patent clerk in Bern 65 million years ago!!

    Complex life is unfathomably special and just may be unique in the immensity of the universe.
    Humans as the ultimate terminus after the ~3.5 billions of years of evolution?
    It seems almost certainly not.

    More likely we, all of humanity, are just to be a major historical footnote in the eventual annals of our tiny blue dot planet. Evolution will move on to something else.

    We, as intelligent humans, have been here a mere 100,000 years.
    Evolution has another 5,000 million years to improve on the amazing molecule we know as DNA before our sun incinerates what is probably every DNA molecule in the universe. That's 50,000 times longer than Homo Sapiens have been here. Evolution has a lot of time to work it's amazing semi-random magic.

    Eh?
     
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    I know I for one don't care, in fact I'd be surprised to outlive these boots.

    Were I to speculate on anything at all its likely to be more immediate concerns such as single malts, weather, shooting sports and the enigma of the feminine.
     

    BuzzinSATX

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    ...We’re not separate from nature. We are completely natural.

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    I don’t know how much I agree with this. Without bringing my spiritual beliefs into the discussion, suffice it to say I don’t believe we humans “evolved” from other creatures on this rock.

    Before you argue the point, I ask you to consider is this one question:

    If we evolved on this planet from the “primordial ooze”, why is it we humans are the one creature on this blue rock that cannot live without changing our environment (we need shelter), eat most things other critters can without boiling or cooking, or see in the dark on a planet that has night almost half the time?

    I’ll ignore and won’t even ask why our sense of smell, hearing, or eyesight suck compared to other creatures, or why human babies are so fragile and helpless compared to other mammals.

    I refuse to accept arguments about our mastery of fire or how we learned to build structures or even that we became farmers. That stuff hasn’t (supposedly) happen d that recently, and evolution does not work that fast to take those important abilities completely away.
     
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    I don’t know how much I agree with this. Without bringing my spiritual beliefs into the discussion, suffice it to say I don’t believe we humans “evolved” from other creatures on this rock.

    Before you argue the point, I ask you to consider is this one question:

    If we evolved on this planet from the “primordial ooze”, why is it we humans are the one creature on this blue rock that cannot live without changing our environment (we need shelter), eat most things other critters can without boiling or cooking, or see in the dark on a planet that has night almost half the time?

    I’ll ignore and won’t even ask why our sense of smell, hearing, or eyesight suck compared to other creatures, or why human babies are so fragile and helpless compared to other mammals.

    I refuse to accept arguments about our mastery of fire or how we learned to build structures or even that we became farmers. That stuff hasn’t (supposedly) happen d that recently, and evolution does not work that fast to take those important abilities completely away.


    You make some nice points.

    Rather than argue I'll make a couple of factual observations.

    Our DNA based ancestors have been here for about 3,500 million years resulting in you and me.
    Our primitive hominid tree dwelling and desert scouring ancestors evolved into modern humans in the last 0.10 million years.
    We have meaningfully changed our environment for about 0.005 million years.

    So:
    Can we imagine what magnificent creatures we might evolve into given just another million or two years?
     

    TheDan

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    The math doesn't check out on evolution. I certainly don't buy any supernatural explanations, but the current theories definitely need more examination.

     

    TheDan

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    I’ll ignore and won’t even ask why our sense of smell, hearing, or eyesight suck compared to other creatures...
    It sucks compared to the best in each category, but we're actually slightly above average in all three. The things that primates do better than other animals is throwing rocks and pattern recognition.
     

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    ...and some argue, we're not Primates, cuz ah, cuz, we're above all that animal stuff...we be divine beings, yessiree bob and if you believe that I've got some salt water, beach front property in Arizona for sale...
     

    BuzzinSATX

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    You make some nice points.

    Rather than argue I'll make a couple of factual observations.

    Our DNA based ancestors have been here for about 3,500 million years resulting in you and me.
    Our primitive hominid tree dwelling and desert scouring ancestors evolved into modern humans in the last 0.10 million years.
    We have meaningfully changed our environment for about 0.005 million years.

    So:
    Can we imagine what magnificent creatures we might evolve into given just another million or two years?

    Regarding DNA, I can use the same materials and basic blueprints to build a kids play house and a beautiful mansion, but that doesn’t necessarily mean one came from the other.
     

    BuzzinSATX

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    Though.....

    We are here.
    We evolved from simpler life.


    Evolution is a profoundly established cornerstone of centuries of human scientific achievement.

    There is no tenable alternative theory.

    We are here...yes

    we evolved from simpler life is still a theory.

    there is still no defined link between us and apes. The profound differences, if they occurred by evolution, would have left fossils.

    I’m not saying there are not relic hominids, but the finite link has NOT been established yet.

    The fact that you dismiss intelligent design limits your thinking.

    Take any of the “mainstream paranormal” activity...say Sasquatch and Aliens

    Science dismisses these as nonsense due to no hard evidence...a body.

    but thousands of eyewitness accounts from people of all walks of life and backgrounds, across the globe, with accounts dating back hundreds of years, is all bull.

    I don’t buy it. I used to, but I don’t anymore.

    I’ll agree, respectfully, to disagree and bow out.
     
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