Is it time...

busykngt · Oct 15, 2019

The Fort Worth {ex-}cop has been arrested and charged with murder over shooting the lady in her home. He’s presently free on $200K bail. I think this will be a case where his own body camera will help convict him!

Kudos to the concerned “good neighbor” for the role he played in helping get this lady killed! The “well fare check” turned into a “fair well” check with him taking action on the ‘ole, “see something, say something” adage - rather than him minding his own business.

The lady had her front (& back) doors opened to allow the cool evening breeze in [it’s Texas....what can ya say]. The “good neighbor” thought this wasn’t normal...

FireInTheWire · Oct 15, 2019

Stupidity and a lack of common sense is on both sides of the fence.

https://www.cbs7.com/content/news/A...g-Midland-police-officer-says--560825911.html

majormadmax · Oct 15, 2019

Sure, right after you disarm all the criminals.

Once that's done, we can disarm all the law-abiding citizens.

After that, we can disarm the military and turn them into the Peace Corps.

Seriously, that proposal has to be one of the most idiotic ideas I have heard in a long time. As someone involved in training police recruits, I can attest that the vast majority are impressive individuals. However, like any organization, there will always be a small percentage that make it through the system via the bare minimums.

But the bottom line is cops are people too, and once again one making a mistake makes the headlines whereas tens of thousands did excellent jobs protecting and serving the public that day and went unnoticed.

Not that such incidents should be excused, but simply understood as the cost of doing a dangerous job. Mistakes happen.

Lastly, talk training all you want, but no amount of it will ever prepare an individual for every eventuality.

Most of the training I participate in involves an active threat, and when we run scenarios that don't have that element in them we often find the cadets still expecting to encounter it. Unfortunately, given the limited tactics classes get while at the academy, the priority is to have them experience how to encounter a worst-case scenario.

Given the relatively short time this officer was on the force, I suspect he was expecting the worse; and based on what little I have read and seen, I believe it was a negligent discharge because of that.

Sadly, two lives will be lost due to this one mistake...

Whistler · Oct 15, 2019

TheMailMan said:
You're probably right. However we need to have inclusive recruitment policies for police. We don't want the 5'2" 105 lb girly men or manly girls to feel butt hurt because they can't be a cop.

I respect your passion on the topic though I question your generalizations. Maybe you haven't been in many physical confrontations but sometimes that "5' 2" 105 lb girly man" might hand your ass to you. Big guys or little guys, never found it to be much of an indicator of the fight in 'em.

F350-6 · Oct 15, 2019

toddnjoyce said:
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There’s plenty of data for national policing agencies, whether it’s Mexican Federales or German Polizei. The question is whether local LE, a development of the town marshal, has outlived its usefulness.

Are you saying you'd rather have a national police force than a local one? Maybe I misunderstood you, but if you're offering the Federales as an example of what a police force should be, I think I'll pass.

TexasRedneck · Oct 15, 2019

toddnjoyce said:
There’s plenty of data for national policing agencies, whether it’s Mexican Federales or German Polizei. The question is whether local LE, a development of the town marshal, has outlived its usefulness.

Really? Do you have any practical knowledge of how the Mexican Federales work?? I'd rather call in a neighborhood vigilante than have ANYTHING to do with THAT bunch. And "National Policing Agencies", eh? You mean like the ATF? They did a bang-up job at Ruby Ridge and Waco.......<pun intended>

Lord, save us from these folks!

toddnjoyce · Oct 15, 2019

F350-6 said:
Are you saying you'd rather have a national police force than a local one?

I’m open to thinking differently about that concept, yes. It could be state or national level. It’s a conversation to have over a beer, as there are nuances involved that the written word doesn’t convey very well.

F350-6 said:
Maybe I misunderstood you, but if you're offering the Federales as an example of what a police force should be, I think I'll pass.

You misunderstood. I simply offered the Federales up on the low end of the spectrum from a professionalism and effectiveness point of view.

TexasRedneck said:
Really? Do you have any practical knowledge of how the Mexican Federales work?? I'd rather call in a neighborhood vigilante than have ANYTHING to do with THAT bunch. And "National Policing Agencies", eh? You mean like the ATF? They did a bang-up job at Ruby Ridge and Waco.......<pun intended>

Lord, save us from these folks!

Read the paragraph directly above your quote in this post and you can stop the pearl clutching.

Younggun · Oct 15, 2019

I’d rather keep the feds out of my life as much as possible. So I’m not going to be very open to the idea of replacing local LE with federal police of any kind.

FWIW, I can’t remember our local PD shooting any innocent people.

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toddnjoyce · Oct 15, 2019

I typically agree with that statement. I also recognize there are challenges in certain localities related to quality and quantity of local police forces.

F350-6 · Oct 15, 2019

toddnjoyce said:
I’m open to thinking differently about that concept, yes. It could be state or national level. It’s a conversation to have over a beer, as there are nuances involved that the written word doesn’t convey very well.

I'd take you up on that beer if you didn't live so far away.

TexasRedneck · Oct 15, 2019

toddnjoyce said:
I’m open to thinking differently about that concept, yes. It could be state or national level. It’s a conversation to have over a beer, as there are nuances involved that the written word doesn’t convey very well.

You misunderstood. I simply offered the Federales up on the low end of the spectrum from a professionalism and effectiveness point of view.

Read the paragraph directly above your quote in this post and you can stop the pearl clutching.

I had bitch-slapping more in mind - that ANYONE would even CONSIDER Mexican Federales as something to aspire to shows a complete and total lack of knowledge.

And to suggest a state OR federal police force take the place of local law enforcement shows an even larger ignorance of what law enforcement SHOULD be about. I want my local LEO's to be answerable to me on a local level - NOT some state or federal bureaucracy. So take your smug, ignorant self out and tie a trash bag over your head and securely around your neck, breathing deeply.

Younggun · Oct 16, 2019

You’ve gone a bit too far...

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ZX9RCAM · Oct 16, 2019

Alrighty then....

mad88minute · Oct 16, 2019

Whistler said:
I respect your passion on the topic though I question your generalizations. Maybe you haven't been in many physical confrontations but sometimes that "5' 2" 105 lb girly man" might hand your ass to you. Big guys or little guys, never found it to be much of an indicator of the fight in 'em.

Some of the scariest guys I've known were very unassuming just looking at them.

I've been choked out by a little 5'2" 130lb spider monkey fighting buddy of mine while wrastlin in the barracks. I was 6'2 220 at the time. He was my gym partner and battle buddy. Tough as nails but didn't look like much.

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majormadmax · Oct 16, 2019

TexasRedneck said:
I had bitch-slapping more in mind - that ANYONE would even CONSIDER Mexican Federales as something to aspire to shows a complete and total lack of knowledge.

And to suggest a state OR federal police force take the place of local law enforcement shows an even larger ignorance of what law enforcement SHOULD be about. I want my local LEO's to be answerable to me on a local level - NOT some state or federal bureaucracy. So take your smug, ignorant self out and tie a trash bag over your head and securely around your neck, breathing deeply.

OK, maybe the Mexican Federales wasn't the best example; but the German Polizei is a good demonstration of how such a system can work. There police training is primarily the responsibility of the individual states (Bundesländer), although the federal government provides assistance and coordination; and police forces in each state (Landespolizei) are administratively controlled by the state government

Essentially, law enforcement in Germany is constitutionally vested solely with the states but standardized through a federal system. There are also some municipal police departments (Stadtpolizei), depending on the size or number of inhabitants of the municipality; but their scope and authority is dictated by the state.

And having met and talked with Polizei officers across Germany, they are as knowledgeable as any municipal officer in this country. Every town has a police station in it which answers to the local government.

Bottom line, don't be so quick to judge what was merely a suggested topic of discussion that does have some merit.

Oh, and happy birthday!

Darkpriest667 · Oct 16, 2019

mad88minute said:
Some of the scariest guys I've known were very unassuming just looking at them.

I've been choked out by a little 5'2" 130lb spider monkey fighting buddy of mine while wrastlin in the barracks. I was 6'2 220 at the time. He was my gym partner and battle buddy. Tough as nails but didn't look like much.

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Don't give away the secret, half of us little guys advantage is that no one ever expects it.

Younggun · Oct 16, 2019

Darkpriest667 said:
Don't give away the secret, half of us little guys advantage is that no one ever expects it.

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easy rider · Oct 16, 2019

I'm too old to want to fight anymore, I have my friends Smith and Wesson to do it for me.

MTA · Oct 16, 2019

TexasRedneck said:
I had bitch-slapping more in mind - that ANYONE would even CONSIDER Mexican Federales as something to aspire to shows a complete and total lack of knowledge.

And to suggest a state OR federal police force take the place of local law enforcement shows an even larger ignorance of what law enforcement SHOULD be about. I want my local LEO's to be answerable to me on a local level - NOT some state or federal bureaucracy. So take your smug, ignorant self out and tie a trash bag over your head and securely around your neck, breathing deeply.

Lol holy shit

TexasRedneck · Oct 22, 2019

Younggun said:
You’ve gone a bit too far...

Be that as it may - when someone wants to hold up one of the most corrupt forces in the world as something to aspire to, it's beyond stupid. And to even consider a federally-based police force is to forget history - and that includes Germany. People in this country best wake up and realize that we're being herded down a path that will see us stripped of what rights we have left.

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