The left finally found the limit of how far they can push a company

oldag · Oct 13, 2019

Dawico said:
It just really sucks that in general most of the people affected aren't the tree hugging hippies in the big city areas.

This is affecting the folks that are generally more conservative and live away from the cities. Those people more than likely didn't vote in the direction these policies are coming from.

Hmm. Think maybe this is no coincidence?

Double Naught Spy · Oct 13, 2019

oldag said:
Hmm. Think maybe this is no coincidence?

Yes. It is simply that most of the transmission lines cover vast distances of more rural country that is most prone to brush fires.

F350-6 · Oct 13, 2019

Dawico said:
It just really sucks that in general most of the people affected aren't the tree hugging hippies in the big city areas.

This is affecting the folks that are generally more conservative and live away from the cities. Those people more than likely didn't vote in the direction these policies are coming from.

Which is why the push for dividing up into several states might get more serious and cause some concessions from the big city folks. If a split were approved, the likely gerrymandering to keep the big cities in control might be challenged, and possibly overturned in a lawsuit, so the door opens to compromise if the push is hard enough. (I don't think it will be, some other more important topic like non-binary, transgender, orange salamanders who immigrated to this country improperly that might be in danger).

oldag · Oct 14, 2019

A map showing where the outages occur. Not all rural areas.

https://sf.curbed.com/2019/10/9/20906839/map-pge-blackout-power-outages-cities-california

TheDan · Oct 14, 2019

Vaquero said:
The seasonal high winds make the wires contact each other.

Sounds like an engineering problem.

Vaquero said:
Back in '05 an underground feeder was costing just over $6.00 a foot, installed. I'm sure that's probably about doubled by now.
Fault lines and buried lines don't = reliable.
It does = more difficult and expensive repairs

I could definitely see seismic activity being an issue to buried lines.

Purely anecdotal... when I lived in Colorado all the power lines were buried; I assume because of the snow. They were super reliable. The power never went out. That was such a shock to me because back home any little storm would knock the power out.

TAZ · Oct 14, 2019

Big Green said:
Anyone know what kind of money it would cost to bury some of these lines in high wind areas? Seems like it might be cheaper than the losses they have had last couple of years after the fires.

Not even sure if high voltage transmission stuff can be buried cost effectively.

Even if it were, do you think Cali would give them trenching right of way without raping them more.

Fishkiller · Oct 14, 2019

I am not a power engineer type. But I just got back from Germany, for a vacation. Anyway most of the power lines there are buried, so I think it can be done. Of course as others have said there is the cost. And of course the spotted three legged salamander newt.

oldag · Oct 14, 2019

Burying HV lines is easily done, but significantly more expensive.

Many of the Cali towers, poles and lines are very old. Ditto for substation and switching yard equipment. Thus more prone to failure. And all of these fail with sparks (and/or hot plasma) being thrown as a result.

TAZ · Oct 14, 2019

Fishkiller said:
I am not a power engineer type. But I just got back from Germany, for a vacation. Anyway most of the power lines there are buried, so I think it can be done. Of course as others have said there is the cost. And of course the spotted three legged salamander newt.

Not a power distribution guy, but I believe that Europe did the buried power plant by design, not retrofit. Big difference in cost when doing retrofit work. I seriously doubt that the Cali tax payers have enough $$ left in their pockets to fund that kind of outlay. And in all honesty, the only way I’d allow other states to fund their rebuild is if we can demand Cali residents stay the eff in their liberal utopia. Or at least if they transplant, they can’t vote for 10 years.

mdf9183 · Oct 14, 2019

Quebec Hydro Electric was going to build a high power transmission line threw the White Mountains of New Hampshire a while back and they were going to bury part of that but it was very expensive. The people of northern New Hampshire protested the line and it was cancelled after a long fight.

F350-6 · Oct 14, 2019

mdf9183 said:
Quebec Hydro Electric was going to build a high power transmission line threw the White Mountains of New Hampshire a while back and they were going to bury part of that but it was very expensive. The people of northern New Hampshire protested the line and it was cancelled after a long fight.

Makes you wonder if they are thinking of doing some upgrades to the system and thought it would be better to make a few million live in the dark for a bit before it's announced to get out in front of the protests.

After all, if they're allowed to pass the costs on to the consumers for any upgrades, money isn't really the issue. And it's easier to say, "we're doing this so we don't have to shut off your power as often" after folks have felt the sting of no power than to suggest options to prevent possible future scenarios.

I'm assuming the New Hampshire protests would have been severely dampened if they had to protest in the dark with no heat.

oldag · Oct 15, 2019

F350-6 said:
Makes you wonder if they are thinking of doing some upgrades to the system and thought it would be better to make a few million live in the dark for a bit before it's announced to get out in front of the protests.

After all, if they're allowed to pass the costs on to the consumers for any upgrades, money isn't really the issue. And it's easier to say, "we're doing this so we don't have to shut off your power as often" after folks have felt the sting of no power than to suggest options to prevent possible future scenarios.

I'm assuming the New Hampshire protests would have been severely dampened if they had to protest in the dark with no heat.

The utility must have approval from the state to raise rates. So money is an issue when the state refuses the rate increase request.

Maverick44 · Oct 16, 2019

All I can say is, don't piss off the people supplying you with power. They tend to be in a pretty good position to get payback.

Inspector43 · Oct 16, 2019

kbaxter60 said:
But, the children!
View attachment 188009

How would you like to wake up and look at that every morning?

Inspector43 · Oct 16, 2019

Big Green said:
Tesla sent out an in car message to owners to remind them to charge to 100%. Tesla also has the ability store power for some of their charging stations for situations like this.

Anyone know what kind of money it would cost to bury some of these lines in high wind areas? Seems like it might be cheaper than the losses they have had last couple of years after the fires.

You have to destroy nature and the natural state of the Earth digging all those trenches. CA would not let that happen either. I worked on the Diablo Canyon Plant during construction. Those people are crazy.

Sledge · Oct 16, 2019

timou · Oct 16, 2019

Son in law works for big utility company out of Ohio and said they and all utility companies were loosing lineman to California, PG&E, replacing transmission and service lines. Some of his former lineman are taking home $7,000 per week. Sixteen hours on with double and triple overtime allowed. Guess who is going to pay for these expenses in the end?

ZX9RCAM · Oct 16, 2019

timou said:
Son in law works for big utility company out of Ohio and said they and all utility companies were loosing lineman to California, PG&E, replacing transmission and service lines. Some of his former lineman are taking home $7,000 per week. Sixteen hours on with double and triple overtime allowed. Guess who is going to pay for these expenses in the end?

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Mohawk600 · Oct 16, 2019

Hoji said:
It is more the leftist bureaucracy that runs the city.
https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/...mburgers-owner-says-shell-never-build-in.html

leftist bureaucracy = whackadoo

BMF500 · Oct 16, 2019

I don't what is better; watching the libtards reap what they've sowed or reading the commentary here! I do feel for the affected sound minded folks who vote against and continually fight this unfounded bureaucratic nonsense. Get the hell out of Cali is all I can tell them.

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