I voted for Trump in 2016. First time I have ever voted for a republican presidential candidate. Fact is, the libertarians ran a retarded guy and an anti gun Massachusetts governor on their ticket in 2016. I just couldn’t vote libertarian that year.
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Hell no, I won't take that bet, you have 20,000 plus wins already on that bet, and the NEXT law will not work any better. Idiots in government fail basic reading skills, criminals, by definition DO NOT obey laws!
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Page 2, the rest of the story:
The Daily Caller: EXCLUSIVE: Here’s The Document The White House, Barr Are Using To Push Gun Control On Republicans
AMBER ATHEYWHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT
September 18, 20199:35 AM ET
The White House and Department of Justice (DOJ) have met with multiple Republican senators and congressmen to shop legislation on expanding background checks consistent with the Manchin-Toomey bill, sources familiar with the effort told the Daily Caller.
The Daily Caller obtained a copy of an idea sheet circulating among Republican members, which indicates that the legislation in question would expand background checks to include all commercially advertised unlicensed sales.
https://dailycaller.com/2019/09/18/white-house-toomey-manchin-gop-gun-background-check/
Reading thru the "Idea Document" I do not believe it came from the White House and or DOJ, Barr's office. In fact, I think this is a piece of fake news. No document like that would ever leave the WH/DOJ offices with that title and without a name or office attached to it, it's prob a plant as the entire gun community would not go along with this and turn on Trump as a result!
So if this would only apply to "commercial" sales aka classifieds here, it seems that would exempt sales between friends/family. How does one prove the sale was a friends/family sale as opposed to a commercial sale?
This sounds like a giant cluster.
This sounds like a giant cluster.
Stumped (I ain't bright)! Aren't all advertised commercial sales done by an FFL who has to do the background check through the Fed? If i wander around a gun show with a firearm looped over my shoulder and someone wants to buy it, was the fact that I was carrying it (after making sure it was properly cleared first of course) constitute advertising? Currently I ask the buyer if he is in any way banner from purchasing a firearm in Texas and if he says "no" i have done my civic duty!
I stand by my statement that the author is stupid, has no command of the English language, and is retarded.
"I'm up here just kicking around some ideas, getting perspectives so I can be in a better position to advise the president," Barr told reporters. "But the president has made no decision yet."
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/462084-gop-signals-unease-with-barrs-gun-plan
Been there, done that. More times than I can count.
I think this is different. I'm one of those who's been a lesser of two evils voters for a while, and I'm fed up. This would be a last straw for me, and I think for many others. Enough to turn a tight election.
By one or both parties incriminating themselves. "I don't recall" seems to work for government officials, I don't see how it shouldn't work for Joe Public either.
I wasn't disputing that, just posting who the alleged source of the words were.
I know. Just felt like saying it again.
Ok, wasn't sure if you took my first reply the wrong way.
President Trump does have a solid history of peeing on the heads of the 2nd Amendment block of his voters and telling us it raining.
And his voters have a history of being very thankful for the rain.
Bringing this back from the dead because this article reminds me how dumb of an idea it is to keep records of a private sale of a firearm in TX.
Seth Aaron Ator, 36, of Odessa, Texas, was killed by law enforcement after going on a shooting rampage that claimed the lives of seven people and wounded 25 others on August 31, 2019
The man who sold an AR-15-style rifle used in a mass shooting in West Texas last year that killed eight people, including the gunman, and wounded 25 pleaded guilty on Wednesday to unlicensed firearms dealing.
Marcus Anthony Braziel, 45, of Lubbock, also pleaded guilty to concealing the proceeds from weapons sales from the IRS, according to a statement from federal prosecutors.
He faces up to five years in federal prison. No sentencing date has been set.
Braziel admitted selling the rifle that Seth Aaron Ator, 36, of Odessa, used when he killed seven people and wounded 25 others in the Midland-Odessa area.
The rampage ended when police shot Ator dead.
According to court documents, Braziel admitted selling Ator an AR-15-style rifle on October 8, 2016 - nearly three years before the August 31, 2019, shooting rampage.
Documents said Ator, who had been adjudicated 'mentally defective' and was therefore legally prohibited from possessing firearms, first attempted to purchase a gun from a sporting goods store but was rejected after his mental status was flagged in the national database.
He circumvented that system by buying a gun from Braziel, who did not run background checks on any of his buyers.
Although background checks are not required for in-state, private gun sales, Braziel admitted he was 'engaged in the business of selling firearms' and should have been licensed and checking his clients' backgrounds.
He admitted routinely buying firearm firing mechanisms, using milling equipment to build them into guns, then selling them for profits of $100-$200.
In a four-year span, Braziel inadvertently sold firearms to four people who were barred from having guns: a convicted felon, a man under felony indictment, an immigrant in the United States illegally, and Ator.
In August, family members of two of the deceased Odessa mass shooting victims sued Braziel and the gun parts manufacturer for over $1million in damages.
The families of 15-year-old Leilah Hernandez and 40-year-old Joseph Griffith filed a civil lawsuit against Braziel and Anderson Manufacturing, a Kentucky-based gun parts manufacturer.
Ator killed seven people and injured 25 others during a 10-mile, hour-long car chase that began on Interstate 20 in Midland County and ended when police finally cornered and killed Ator outside a crowded Odessa movie theater.
The lawsuit was filed three days before the first anniversary of the shooting.
'Our clients want to hold accountable those who manufactured, profited from, and supplied the AR-style weapon used in the shooting,' attorney John Sloan, who is representing the families of Hernandez and Griffin, stated in a press release.
According to authorities, Ator's shooting spree began on August 31, 2019, when he fled a traffic stop after opening fire on state troopers, hijacked a postal truck and began shooting indiscriminately at motorists and passersby in the neighboring cities of Odessa and Midland.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...d-West-Texas-mass-shooting-pleads-guilty.html
Seth Aaron Ator, 36, of Odessa, Texas, was killed by law enforcement after going on a shooting rampage that claimed the lives of seven people and wounded 25 others on August 31, 2019
The man who sold an AR-15-style rifle used in a mass shooting in West Texas last year that killed eight people, including the gunman, and wounded 25 pleaded guilty on Wednesday to unlicensed firearms dealing.
Marcus Anthony Braziel, 45, of Lubbock, also pleaded guilty to concealing the proceeds from weapons sales from the IRS, according to a statement from federal prosecutors.
He faces up to five years in federal prison. No sentencing date has been set.
Braziel admitted selling the rifle that Seth Aaron Ator, 36, of Odessa, used when he killed seven people and wounded 25 others in the Midland-Odessa area.
The rampage ended when police shot Ator dead.
According to court documents, Braziel admitted selling Ator an AR-15-style rifle on October 8, 2016 - nearly three years before the August 31, 2019, shooting rampage.
Documents said Ator, who had been adjudicated 'mentally defective' and was therefore legally prohibited from possessing firearms, first attempted to purchase a gun from a sporting goods store but was rejected after his mental status was flagged in the national database.
He circumvented that system by buying a gun from Braziel, who did not run background checks on any of his buyers.
Although background checks are not required for in-state, private gun sales, Braziel admitted he was 'engaged in the business of selling firearms' and should have been licensed and checking his clients' backgrounds.
He admitted routinely buying firearm firing mechanisms, using milling equipment to build them into guns, then selling them for profits of $100-$200.
In a four-year span, Braziel inadvertently sold firearms to four people who were barred from having guns: a convicted felon, a man under felony indictment, an immigrant in the United States illegally, and Ator.
In August, family members of two of the deceased Odessa mass shooting victims sued Braziel and the gun parts manufacturer for over $1million in damages.
The families of 15-year-old Leilah Hernandez and 40-year-old Joseph Griffith filed a civil lawsuit against Braziel and Anderson Manufacturing, a Kentucky-based gun parts manufacturer.
Ator killed seven people and injured 25 others during a 10-mile, hour-long car chase that began on Interstate 20 in Midland County and ended when police finally cornered and killed Ator outside a crowded Odessa movie theater.
The lawsuit was filed three days before the first anniversary of the shooting.
'Our clients want to hold accountable those who manufactured, profited from, and supplied the AR-style weapon used in the shooting,' attorney John Sloan, who is representing the families of Hernandez and Griffin, stated in a press release.
According to authorities, Ator's shooting spree began on August 31, 2019, when he fled a traffic stop after opening fire on state troopers, hijacked a postal truck and began shooting indiscriminately at motorists and passersby in the neighboring cities of Odessa and Midland.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...d-West-Texas-mass-shooting-pleads-guilty.html
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