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  • Frank59

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    Jesus!! Can it get any worse? I know a half dozen or more HPD officers well. All are good cops and further more good people. I hate to see a few dumb asses reflect so badly on the department as a whole. Frustrating to say the least.
     

    oldag

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    Jesus!! Can it get any worse? I know a half dozen or more HPD officers well. All are good cops and further more good people. I hate to see a few dumb asses reflect so badly on the department as a whole. Frustrating to say the least.

    LEO's come from the general population, so we can never expect them to all be good. 99% will be good, but that 1% will always exist.
     

    toddnjoyce

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    Forensic Experts Find 'No Evidence' That Houston Narcs Who Killed Dennis Tuttle and Rhogena Nicholas Encountered Gunfire As They Entered the House

    https://reason.com/2019/05/14/foren...5IOfC4m1JEjhMVUgS-yGQvq-xshvB2t7Ll49aEsGIYznU

    Evidently Tuttle never fired a single shot....

    Anyone shocked?


    Damn.
    Have they come out and said what all the officers were shot with?
    How much of it was friendly fire I wonder?

    All of it, as I've been saying for some time. Somebody NDed or intentionally shot the dog, and the rest of these idiots started popping caps.

    Eli

    I’m generally skeptical of the forensic expert hired by the family.

    He has one job to do: enough a preponderance of evidence in a civil suit for a settlement or judgement against the city, either with a monetary award. His fee is probably contingent, so there’s a little conflict of interest going on there.

    Notice also, his statements are nuanced. “Analysis not yet complete”, “No shots fired towards the door”.

    In this case, I’m inclined to believe his side of the story on the physical evidence, based on the other information either released or leaked, though.
     

    deemus

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    I’m generally skeptical of the forensic expert hired by the family.

    He has one job to do: enough a preponderance of evidence in a civil suit for a settlement or judgement against the city, either with a monetary award. His fee is probably contingent, so there’s a little conflict of interest going on there.

    Notice also, his statements are nuanced. “Analysis not yet complete”, “No shots fired towards the door”.

    In this case, I’m inclined to believe his side of the story on the physical evidence, based on the other information either released or leaked, though.


    Generally, expert witnesses are not paid contingently.

    They are paid their standard fee regardless of the outcome. I am skeptical that this guy is on a contingent fee basis. I think its highly unlikely. In fact, it likely would not be allowed as evidence if it was the case. The more likely scenario is that his work would not be used or made public if it was contrary to what the victims families had hoped for.
     

    birddog

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    Drugs are one of the worst scourges of our times. Not just their use and abuse, but their legal status.

    We need to legalize everything. If something is going to be regulated, it simply needs to be treated like alcohol.

    If our government was serious about drugs they’d close the fkn borders.
     

    rmantoo

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    My father was one of the first Sergeants in the HPD Narcotics division. I think, but don't remember for sure, and my siblings don't either, that it was 1972- but whatever. He made LT while there and knew all of the founding guys, as well as the early HPD bomb squad and SWAT people. My best friend's dad was one of the first hpd swat guys.

    Back in the 70s and mostly during the 80s the narcotics division was small enough that they knew who the squirrels and rogue thugs were, and the commanders had enough latitude that they could kick them out easily.

    Other family members were there in the 90s and 00s, but tell me it got big enough by that time that there were cliques and micro units galore, where often the politically well-connected, or the protected, skated on warrants, raids, and reports that normal cops would have been either denied, or fired for.

    I can't help but think that there are more bad apples in some parts/sub-units of some of the specialized units.
     
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