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  • Davetex

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    If there was a CW or separation... I want Jacko Willink to be our supreme commander.

    Or Billy Jack....
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    oldag

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    It's common knowledge that critical infrastructure contains SIGNIFICANT weaknesses. The placement of less than 10 exlosive devices would destroy this countries ability to respond to crisis nor maintain social order. The US, for all intents and purpose, would no longer exist except in name only.

    Don't ask pecifics, you will be ignored. But I am sure somoeone here knows the target I'm referring to.

    One could argue a little on the exact quantity, but a relatively small number of acts of sabotage could largely do what you state. Power grid is more exposed to this than anyone wants to admit.
     

    satx78247

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    If the leftists tried to start an uprising, it would be very short lived.

    oldag,

    I wish that you were 100% CORRECT but in my experience OCONUS, a FEW terrorists can cause a great deal of severe damage to persons/property & evade capture for a LONG time.
    Furthermore doing a LOT of horrid criminal acts require little more than reading a couple of books (like THE ANARCHIST COOKBOOK) or reading readily available information on "the Worldwideweird" & having a specific criminal intent to BE a saboteur/anarchist/mass murderer/terrorist.

    just my OPINION, satx
     

    candcallen

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    Couple random thoughts.

    Remember the guys probing the power grid with rifles? That got quiet quickly didn't it.

    In AZ one summer we had a fire at an electric sub station that destroyed a transformer. Something you might expect to happen in the place kinda reverse snowbirds types who live in actual hell might like to summer so they can cool off. A cool 120 to 130 in places, and at time with weeks where the temp never even drops below 100 at night because of the heat islands or unlucky geography. That's why I love the cool north texas summers. But I digress.

    You would think they plan for things like this and have spares around. Nope. No spares within thousands of miles. IIRC were talking overseas sourcing of 1 available anywhere and months to actually make one. Then a couple weeks of special transportation proceedures to transport the thing once it got to the US because of its size. We have a nuke plant 60 miles away pumping out all the power needed not to mention a dozen other ways to generate huge amounts of power within a couple hundred miles and you have rolling black outs and brown outs cause you cant get the power where it needs to go.

    Guillotines might come in handy one day. As purely a dramatically artistic representation of our displeasure with our employees who failed to manage our infrastructure. No actual violence intended. Well except making them bring me some ice tea.
     
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    1. Does the “US” need to be usable or retain value afterwards? you're thinking outside the box, an important element:) the context of civil war, revolution and civil disobedience, conquer seemed more appropriate than the alternatives. Like destroy:)

    2. News/media how? predators preying on citizens would be my assessment. Lack of law enforcement or military presence brings out the worst in people predisposed to violence or criminal behavior

    3. Subjective question. Yes. not subjective. read the referenced citations below. - consensus among public and private sector analysts have little praise for FEMA, stating ".....FEMA is a dyfunctional failure and has mismanaged every disaster response since its inception...links, citations below

    4. The public, the court system, law enforcement.
    why, what is the context? (my perspective differs but its irrelevant)

    Thomas A. Garrett and Russell S. Sobel, “The Political Economy of FEMA Disaster Payments,” Economic Inquiry 41, no. 3 (July 2003): 496–509. See also Russell S. Sobel and Peter T. Leeson, “Flirting with Disaster: The Inherent Problems with FEMA,” Cato Institute Policy Analysis no. 573, July 19, 2006, pp. 8–9. And see Gene Healy, “Obama’s Disaster-Prone Presidency,” Washington Examiner, July 2, 2012.

    Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Government Affairs, “Hurricane Katrina: A Nation Still Unprepared,” March 1, 2006

    John Cochran, “85M Pounds of Ice Growing Down the Drain, abcnews.com, July 15, 2007. And see Rep. Bennie G. Thompson and Democratic Staff of the House Committee on Homeland Security, “One Year Later: Katrina’s Waste,” August 28, 2006

    Miskel, Disaster Response and Homeland Security (Stanford: Stanford University Press, 2008)

    Department of Homeland Security, Office of Inspector General, “FEMA’s Logistics Supply Chain Management System May Not Be Effective During a Catastrophic Disaster,” September 2014

    James W. Fossett, “Let’s Stop Improvising Disaster Recovery,” Nelson A. Rockefeller Institute of Government, July 2013.

    Patrick S. Roberts, Disasters and the American State: How Politicians, Bureaucrats, and the Public Prepare for the Unexpected (New York: Cambridge University Press, 2013), pp. 24–25. And see Judy G. Russell, “A Matter of Debate,”August 20, 2012, www.legalgeneologist.com.

    I can provide many more if need be.
     

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    candcallen,

    Even easier than gunfire & likely to cause more severe & difficult to restore damage to infrastructure is using homemade explosive/incendiary devices and/or simple arson.

    yours, satx
     

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    oldag,

    I wish that you were 100% CORRECT but in my experience OCONUS, a FEW terrorists can cause a great deal of severe damage to persons/property & evade capture for a LONG time.
    Furthermore doing a LOT of horrid criminal acts require little more than reading a couple of books (like THE ANARCHIST COOKBOOK) or reading readily available information on "the Worldwideweird" & having a specific criminal intent to BE a saboteur/anarchist/mass murderer/terrorist.

    just my OPINION, satx

    I am not sure they are that smart.

    You are correct, but I still think they will come out on the short end of the stick.
     

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    It will happen, it's just a matter of when and how. It won't be an armed conflict since neither side has the stomach for it sans a few. But will otherwise be a peaceful breakup or "balkanization" as someone mentioned early on in the thread. It kind of already is with all these "sanctuary laws," whether it be to protect the constitution, criminals entering the country, drugs, etc.

    When I first heard there was a movement in CA to leave the Union, I was thrilled. I'd contribute if I thought it had a shot now.

    Might be in a few years, might be in 50, but it's coming. And of course only one side will survive because one method can and the other is unsustainable as a civilization.
     

    oldag

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    Couple random thoughts.

    Remember the guys probing the power grid with rifles? That got quiet quickly didn't it.

    In AZ one summer we had a fire at an electric sub station that destroyed a transformer. Something you might expect to happen in the place kinda reverse snowbirds types who live in actual hell might like to summer so they can cool off. A cool 120 to 130 in places, and at time with weeks where the temp never even drops below 100 at night because of the heat islands or unlucky geography. That's why I love the cool north texas summers. But I digress.

    You would think they plan for things like this and have spares around. Nope. No spares within thousands of miles. IIRC were talking overseas sourcing of 1 available anywhere and months to actually make one. Then a couple weeks of special transportation proceedures to transport the thing once it got to the US because of its size. We have a nuke plant 60 miles away pumping out all the power needed not to mention a dozen other ways to generate huge amounts of power within a couple hundred miles and you have rolling black outs and brown outs cause you cant get the power where it needs to go.

    Guillotines might come in handy one day. As purely a dramatically artistic representation of our displeasure with our employees who failed to manage our infrastructure. No actual violence intended. Well except making them bring me some ice tea.

    Spares? Those big transformers are REALLY expensive. And very long lead times. Some utilities cooperate on "shared" spares, but I don't believe there are that many around.
     

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    It will happen, it's just a matter of when and how. It won't be an armed conflict since neither side has the stomach for it sans a few. But will otherwise be a peaceful breakup or "balkanization" as someone mentioned early on in the thread. It kind of already is with all these "sanctuary laws," whether it be to protect the constitution, criminals entering the country, drugs, etc.

    When I first heard there was a movement in CA to leave the Union, I was thrilled. I'd contribute if I thought it had a shot now.

    Might be in a few years, might be in 50, but it's coming. And of course only one side will survive because one method can and the other is unsustainable as a civilization.

    Peaceful breakup? Ask the confederacy how that worked out.
     

    satx78247

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    I am not sure they are that smart.

    You are correct, but I still think they will come out on the short end of the stick.

    oldag

    The HARD LEFT is generally at least smart enough to import a few career criminals and/or terrorists from outside of the USA.

    yours, satx
     

    candcallen

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    oldag

    The HARD LEFT is generally at least smart enough to import a few career criminals and/or terrorists from outside of the USA.

    yours, satx
    Someone slept thru the 60s and 70s. The left were pretty competent at taking hostages blowing stuff up and killing folks. Lots of them got away with it and were even advisors to and cabinet officials in the Obama Administration.
     

    oldag

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    Someone slept thru the 60s and 70s. The left were pretty competent at taking hostages blowing stuff up and killing folks. Lots of them got away with it and were even advisors to and cabinet officials in the Obama Administration.

    Didn't sleep through that period. Do remember that the leftists did not even come close to winning. Really did not make much of an impact, in reality. Did garner plenty of headlines.
     

    satx78247

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    Didn't sleep through that period. Do remember that the leftists did not even come close to winning. Really did not make much of an impact, in reality. Did garner plenty of headlines.

    oldag,

    May I gently remind you that the leftists of the 1960s-70s was FAR FEWER in number, also LESS CRAZED with pure ANTI-American hate than the current crop of leftist FOOLS are??

    yours, satx
     

    oldag

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    oldag,

    May I gently remind you that the leftists of the 1960s-70s was FAR FEWER in number, also LESS CRAZED with pure ANTI-American hate than the current crop of leftist FOOLS are??

    yours, satx

    Fewer in number, sure. But I believe that 99.9999% of the leftists today don't have the gumption to do anything.

    Less crazed in the 60's? Ummm, not sure I can go with that.

    And I don't believe today's millennials have the dedication/determination with regard to violent action that the 60's leftist terrorists had. I really have no fear of a millennial uprising.
     
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