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    Anyone have any experience with this scope? Was looking between this and the viper pst 6-24x50 with the ffp... most of my shots would be in the 100 yard range, maybe shorter, but I also want something that can reach out to 600+..
    I would like a ffp scope, but the pst is no longer made in 4-16 and the hs-t does not come in ffp..
    does anyone have experience with either of these?
    Will 4-16 be enough scope for 600+?
    Would 6-24 be too much for sub 100 yards?
    It will be going on a 308 Remington 700 sps tactical that I’ve had in the safe for years because I’ve never been able to decide on an optic for it
    Thanks for any help
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    Jboettiger

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    I have the PST and have had great luck with it. For sub 100 yards, I think 6x is a bit too much and would recommend something in the 3x-4x range.


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    I don’t know if it will be the only scope you own. If it is, I would go with 4-16x.

    If it is only for the 700, and it is your long range weapon of choice, 6-24x go for it.

    For me, 24x is only useful if the rest is heavily sandbagged. A lower power gives you many more options.

    I own a Vortex SFP 4-16x and find it is my best choice. I also have a 6-24x but find far fewer uses for it. Although I have a FFP scope, I use it very little at less than the max magnification, due to the reticle being too small to be useful. YMMV
     

    Dawico

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    I agree, 6x is a little much for 100 yards- if you are trying to shoot quickly. Target acquisition will be slow.

    16x is plenty for 600+ yards.

    While I don't own that scope I have had very good results with every Vortex product I have owned.

    The PST Gen 1 scopes can still be found for very good prices.
     

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    Good glass is better than magnification at long distance. I shoot over 600 yards with a fixed 10X with no problems. If it's for hunting I would go with the lower power scope as field of view will be more important.
     

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    I’m a Nikon guy but I like the value and quality from vortex. I used to run redfield but at higher powers they distort around the edge. I’m using crude terms but scope guys will know what I’m referring to.

    I like 4 and 9 power scopes for most simple applications.

    For higher power and good prices I’m a fan of 18 power scopes
     

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    Man... scopes are so subjective. It's tough to get what ya want without looking through one for a bit.

    On my serious guns, I prefer FFP scopes. I have 3 Nikon's that are SFP, but their my fooling around scopes.

    I'm a magnification whore. I have a Burris XTR2 in a 8-40x50. Love the 40x. I also run a Nikon 4-12x44 on my .22. It stays dialed in on 12x 95% of the time and shoot it from 50yrds to 250yrds. I'd really like a 20x on it. A lot of folks have a hard time with target acquisition with high power. It isn't a problem if you learn to shoot with both eyes open. It's weird at first... but it's great after you get past that issue.

    I've never ran a Vortex... but have always heard good things about them.

    IMHO... go the FFP 6-24x50 on that .308
     

    Sam7sf

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    Man... scopes are so subjective. It's tough to get what ya want without looking through one for a bit.

    On my serious guns, I prefer FFP scopes. I have 3 Nikon's that are SFP, but their my fooling around scopes.

    I'm a magnification whore. I have a Burris XTR2 in a 8-40x50. Love the 40x. I also run a Nikon 4-12x44 on my .22. It stays dialed in on 12x 95% of the time and shoot it from 50yrds to 250yrds. I'd really like a 20x on it. A lot of folks have a hard time with target acquisition with high power. It isn't a problem if you learn to shoot with both eyes open. It's weird at first... but it's great after you get past that issue.

    I've never ran a Vortex... but have always heard good things about them.

    IMHO... go the FFP 6-24x50 on that .308
    I learned to shoot with both eyes open also and consider it the way to go. I’m 38 and my eyes aren’t as sharp as they used to be. I know a 3 to 9 power would have worked for a lot of ranges back then.
     

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    Anyone have any experience with this scope? Was looking between this and the viper pst 6-24x50 with the ffp... most of my shots would be in the 100 yard range, maybe shorter, but I also want something that can reach out to 600+..
    I would like a ffp scope, but the pst is no longer made in 4-16 and the hs-t does not come in ffp..
    does anyone have experience with either of these?
    Will 4-16 be enough scope for 600+?
    Would 6-24 be too much for sub 100 yards?
    It will be going on a 308 Remington 700 sps tactical that I’ve had in the safe for years because I’ve never been able to decide on an optic for it
    Thanks for any help

    Based on your stated usage and typical distances, may be worth looking at the Vortex Diamondback Tactical 4-16 FFP MRAD...

    Should work just fine at those distances, solid features/reticle, and cost is great for what it is (and can be had for even less if you qualify for a mil/le discount program), particularly if on a budget.

    Also, with the lifetime warranty, it'll hold solid value for when you decide to sell it and upgrade to a Razor HD AMG for 10x the cost ;)

    https://www.opticsplanet.com/vortex...16x44-moa.html?_iv_code=VX-RS-VRTX1-DBK-10027
     

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    Based on your stated usage and typical distances, may be worth looking at the Vortex Diamondback Tactical 4-16 FFP MRAD...

    Should work just fine at those distances, solid features/reticle, and cost is great for what it is (and can be had for even less if you qualify for a mil/le discount program), particularly if on a budget.

    Also, with the lifetime warranty, it'll hold solid value for when you decide to sell it and upgrade to a Razor HD AMG for 10x the cost ;)

    https://www.opticsplanet.com/vortex...16x44-moa.html?_iv_code=VX-RS-VRTX1-DBK-10027
    I think I was looking at this one but it seems like the reticle has too much going on... I wish they made it with the vmr-1 reticle
     

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    I think I was looking at this one but it seems like the reticle has too much going on... I wish they made it with the vmr-1 reticle
    The EBR-2C is a superb reticle, and while this is somewhat subjective as has been mentioned previously, IMHO is hands-down superior to the VMR-1 in every way that matters (with the exception of very close range, which doesn't appear to be a main use case here, particularly at those magnification levels).
     
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    The EBR-2C is a superb reticle, and while this is somewhat subjective as has been mentioned previously, IMHO is hands-down superior to the VMR-1 in every way that matters (with the exception of very close range, which doesn't appear to be a main use case here, particularly at those magnification levels).
    We’ll with the diamondback being ffp and cheaper than the viper, same power and lense diameter... what would it’s drawbacks be? Or I guess why the price difference of $200?
     

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    We’ll with the diamondback being ffp and cheaper than the viper, same power and lense diameter... what would it’s drawbacks be? Or I guess why the price difference of $200?

    Well, without doing a detailed line-by-line comparison, I'd say that it's a simple matter of available features in a current-production scope:

    1. That's a relatively new-model scope

    2. Not aware of any other current models (Vortex) with same magnification and similar features (e.g. FFP, exposed turrets, etched reticle, etc.). The PST line has been discontinued, and the PST Gen2, while similar magnification w/ ffp is available, has significantly more than a $200 price gap (and likely much better glass).

    3. No RZR on the Diamondback

    4. From specs, looks like a more cost-effective line to fill the gap left from the PST gen1. The Gen2's (in my opinion) did the same thing by starting to approach the Razor HD Gen1 specs.

    Not sure I can think of any price-point equivalents currently...


    ETA: Have owned multiple PST Gen1's & Gen2's (as well as both higher and lower-end Vortex glass), and while I haven't used the Diamondback Tactical yet, I have one on order from a recent sale and expect it to easily fill the role of the PST Gen1 (FFP w/ EBR-1 MRAD) which it's replacing (on a Ruger Precision Rimfire).
     
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    Based on your stated usage and typical distances, may be worth looking at the Vortex Diamondback Tactical 4-16 FFP MRAD...

    Should work just fine at those distances, solid features/reticle, and cost is great for what it is (and can be had for even less if you qualify for a mil/le discount program), particularly if on a budget.

    Also, with the lifetime warranty, it'll hold solid value for when you decide to sell it and upgrade to a Razor HD AMG for 10x the cost ;)

    https://www.opticsplanet.com/vortex...16x44-moa.html?_iv_code=VX-RS-VRTX1-DBK-10027
    I've seen some good deals on the Viper lately. I'm looking to upgrade to possibly a 4-16 x 50 Vortex Viper.
     

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    Just so you know there is a Viper and a Viper PST. Different scopes and price points.

    I have both and they are both good scopes.
    PST's are a bit more expensive. They also have a PA & HS, which is probably more my range. I don't really care to pay more for the FFP, if I was in competition or longer ranges I would probably care more. It's the glass in the Viper I like.
     

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    jray1536

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    I purchased my 3rd Gen 1 Viper PST 6-24 MRAD last month when they were on sale. I think paid around $650. Excellent scope at that price point. Optics Planet still has some that are MOA available for that price.

    https://www.opticsplanet.com/v/pst-624f1-a-vortex-viper-pst-6-24x50-ffp-riflescope.html

    And the 4-16 PST MRAD:

    https://www.eurooptic.com/vortex-viper-pst-4-16x50-ffp-rifle-scope-ebr-1-mrad-pst-416f1-m.aspx
    Wish I could find the 4-16 pst with the moa... those sales are pretty good
     

    ed308

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    That was the closeout price. Probably the last we'll of that scope. But the 6-24x PST in MOA is a great scope. I've got two mount of them mounted on a Savage .308 bolt and 6.5 Creed AR10. The 3rd one is for my .224 Valkyrie that I'm building.
     
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