DOJ Releases Bump Stock Ban Notice
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Possibly not. Possibly.
The language is so tortured in an effort to impact only stocks that it's going to have to be entirely re-written to include binary triggers. IOW, they've closed off any way of re-interpreting the language to outlaw binary triggers.
If they want to do that, they'll have to do what they should have done this time. They'll have to go back to the statute and change the definition in the statute instead of doing some regulatory tinkering as they've done here.
That said, I'm just employing common sense. Common sense would dictate that the bump stock ban couldn't happen. Further, common sense is routinely overmatched in a contest of political will.
Thus, I sadly conclude that this...
...will turn out to be completely correct.
The bump stock ban will make it harder to go after binary triggers and other fast-firing methods and technologies. It can, however, still happen. As you rightly point out, when gun-banners get control of everything, nothing will be safe.
God, I hate politics.
You think the crazy dems wouldn't vote to begin impeachment if they get control of the House & Senate?
They've been clamoring for it since Jan 20. The only thing preventing it is the GOP majority in the House. I sure as hell won't bother to show up and vote this year. And I don't even really want a bump stock, already got real MGs. Bypassing the legislature to create bogus laws for the opposing party while failing to deliver every single campaign promise is unforgivable.
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Even if there was enough votes to proceed to impeachment, what exactly is it you think he will be impeached on? Tweets? Give me a break. If impeachment was that easy Bill Clinton would have been impeached.
Bill Clinton WAS impeached. (I thought this was common knowledge???)
It can be done for any reason that 218 or more House members believe constitutes High Crimes or Misdemeanors. Which is not defined any where in the Constitution. 218 democrats could impeach Trump for the high crime of drinking water and it'd be 100% constitutional.
Whether the Senate votes to convict or not depends on how many RINOs go along.
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You are right, but he then was aquitted, so I certainly wouldn't consider that a successful impeachment.
Not voting, eh?
Well, that work out great for everybody who's ever tried it...just ask the snowflakes marching in the streets.
Also, no one has ever delivered on "every single campaign promise" and typically thise promises are well known to require more than 1 person to fulfill. The only way Trunp could have fulfilled every promise would have been to transition the US in to a dicratorship. As you are extremely upset with the abuses mentioned in this thread I'm not sure how you could support other uncontitutional and unilateral actions by the president.
Impeachment is like an indictment. Trial in the Senate is what counts. Clinton was successfully impeached; however, he was not convicted and, therefore, not removed from office. So, if removal is the metric of success, then conviction is the means, with impeachment merely the first step.
TheMailMan
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Link to where I can find it?
Seems like the Clintons have a trend of being found guilty with no punishment to follow.
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He was impeached by the house but found not guilty by the senate.
A majority of the members of the House must vote for these charges in order to impeach the president. After the charges of misconduct are filed, the Senate has the power to try impeachment cases like a court. Two-thirds of the senators must vote for conviction.
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Ole Cowboy
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Folks this is nothing but a 'sacrificial anode', also known as a 'hush puppy' and better be glad we have it. Already the talk by retired SCOTUS is to kill the 2nd Amend and its fast become the chant on the far left and by the kids at the march.
You have got to understand the end game, when you do maybe rational thought will prevail: End game is a complete rewrite of the Constitution and the only way that happens is to kill the 2nd Amend.
Giving up the 'bone to the dog' of bump stocks only goes to focus on the line in the sand which is the gun, NOT the bump stock. I will give you the bump stock, but do not ask for my gun that is not happening.
FYI: Bump stock was not taken from us by the Feds, nor did the NRA not defend us. Bump stocks do not have the support of the 3rd rail and it was brought on by the mainstream fake news.
The Left, about 100 million strong: Hates guns objective is destroy our constitution and the road leads thru the 2nd amendment
Us gun folks: 65 Mi or more strong, its up to us to stop 'The Left'
The 3rd rail: 40+ million folks that don't own guns, know little about BUT voted for Trump, are STRONG Constitution supporters as it is written and recognize the 2nd Amendment. We CANNOT LOSE their support, if we do, we go down. Media sold them the Las Vegas would not have happened without Bump stocks and since they don't really know, they bought into it. Give them and the media their bone and lets move on...
You have got to understand the end game, when you do maybe rational thought will prevail: End game is a complete rewrite of the Constitution and the only way that happens is to kill the 2nd Amend.
Giving up the 'bone to the dog' of bump stocks only goes to focus on the line in the sand which is the gun, NOT the bump stock. I will give you the bump stock, but do not ask for my gun that is not happening.
FYI: Bump stock was not taken from us by the Feds, nor did the NRA not defend us. Bump stocks do not have the support of the 3rd rail and it was brought on by the mainstream fake news.
The Left, about 100 million strong: Hates guns objective is destroy our constitution and the road leads thru the 2nd amendment
Us gun folks: 65 Mi or more strong, its up to us to stop 'The Left'
The 3rd rail: 40+ million folks that don't own guns, know little about BUT voted for Trump, are STRONG Constitution supporters as it is written and recognize the 2nd Amendment. We CANNOT LOSE their support, if we do, we go down. Media sold them the Las Vegas would not have happened without Bump stocks and since they don't really know, they bought into it. Give them and the media their bone and lets move on...
No such thing.
Each generation of gun owners makes the same mistakes as the previous.
NRA/GunOwners thinks they can appease the gun-grabbers by giving them something with nothing in return, thinking they are reasonable and will not come back for more.
But the opposite happens. Gun-grabbers see NRA/GunOwners weakness, and come back for more with a vengeance. Politicians, like Trump, see NRA/GunOwners signalling additional regulations are OK, and also jump on board. As we saw Trump offer up age 21, again with nothing in return. Gun-grabbers are now getting motivated, pressing for more. And again, Trump delivers, offering Feinstein the AWB as we all saw on TV. The cycle continues, and suddenly we are talking about repealing the 2A.
And this is where /GunOwners wake up. in < 6 months we went from nothing to talking about repealing the 2A. And it all started with giving up bump stocks.
And now we have lost all our forward momentum, like SHARE act, HPA, and National Reciprocity, and are hoping we can get out of this with minimal losses.
Ole Cowboy
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Your spin zone is alive and well.
If you are willing to fall on your sword over Bump Stocks then I know you won't be standing with me when the time comes to defend the 2nd. Bum stocks are not guns, just junk and if the public that we need to support us ever stops supporting then its over...
That is a real winning strategy you have.
In addition to banning bump stocks, raising buying age to 21, closing gun show loophole and re-enacting AWB, what else are you OK with your POTUS giving to gun-grabbers with NOTHING in return? Do tell.
I agree with Renegade but there's a piece of truth in what Ole Cowboy has said.
Yeah, bump stocks are junk. I have one and I'll be the first to admit that they're fun but useless and I wouldn't care if they were banned.
I do care if they are banned and we get nothing in return.
Someone on here recently posted something along the lines of "We could give them bump stocks if they'd give us the Hughes amendment." I could go along with that.
Of course, I'd start by requiring the Hughes amendment, de-control of short barrelled long guns, the Hearing Protection Act, national reciprocity, and opening the registry for another amnesty before the last of our WWII verterans dies and their family finds that bring-back hidden in the attic.
I'd settle for less than that but that would be my starting posture.
Unfortunately, there was no one saying "No!" on the national stage and demanding negotiations. That was the job of the NRA and they totally screwed us.
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