Trees in the shape of a W?I don't keep cash at home. I keep it buried in public park 16 paces north northwest of the big tree with the green leaves.
Trees in the shape of a W?I don't keep cash at home. I keep it buried in public park 16 paces north northwest of the big tree with the green leaves.
Generally speaking, when assets are seized under those circumstances, you do NOT have the burden of proving otherwise. It's the assets that must prove otherwise.If you're found to be in possession of any unreported cash, then it would be assumed to be from illicit activity and seized under civil asset forfeiture.
You have the burden of proving otherwise.
Are you Mad Mad Mad Mad?Trees in the shape of a W?
One of the reasons the forfeiture cases are styled in that manner is because at the time of filing, there is usually no one who is claiming ownership of that money. Often the funds are seized during traffic stops or searches and the driver of the car (some "mule") exclaims "that's not mine!" and signs a waiver of any ownership interest in the funds. The reasons why they (the mules) do that should be obvious. What gets interesting is when someone finally claims an interest in the funds and tries to weave their tale to somehow show that the funds are neither proceeds of criminal activity nor instrumentalities of same. Usually it's quite an amusing show, actually.Generally speaking, when assets are seized under those circumstances, you do NOT have the burden of proving otherwise. It's the assets that must prove otherwise.
We do all know, I hope, that as a holdover from English common law the government sues the money seized and it's up to the money to defend itself, right? Now, you can act on behalf of it but the suit is still styled "United States vs. $5000 in cash" or something similar.
I don't like the fact that we still hold onto the vestiges of old laws that can find inanimate objects guilty of crimes but that's the situation we're in.
At least these days if a limb falls out of a tree and kills you, the constable doesn't put the tree on trial for assault, find it guilty, and chop it down as punishment. We've moved past that...barely.
An adequate defense should be "none of your fucking business."What gets interesting is when someone finally claims an interest in the funds and tries to weave their tale to somehow show that the funds are neither proceeds of criminal activity nor instrumentalities of same. Usually it's quite an amusing show, actually.
You might be old, if you get that mad mad mad reference.Trees in the shape of a W?
It smells of fascism to me.
Your money is only there on paper per se, the bank uses the real money for loans and such, that's how they make money on your money.How is my money "in circulation" if it's in my bank account?
Smart-ass answer - Go watch "It's A Wonderful Life" again. The scene where there's a run on the Building and Loan has a great capsule answer.How is my money "in circulation" if it's in my bank account?
Only thing "little" safes are good for is providing convenient carrying cases for thieves....Been following this thread a while.
Trying to ascertain:
it it
1. Paranoid anti-government nonsense.
or
2. A representation of our society's laws.
Suppose I do something quite plausible in August.....
a. Sell 5 rifles I bought (pre-election "investment") to gunshow dealers, on their books, for $5,000 cash.
b. Sell an old Jeep to a buddy for $4,000 cash.
c. Sell a bunch of silver to a pawn shop for $3,000 cash.
All above board and 100% legal.
All three, money loosing transactions so no income to report.
I don't itemize to no loss to declare.
So.
Now, I'll have one hundred and twenty $100 bills in a little safe under my desk at work and plan to just let it be until I might need some quick cash for paying for a boat or some Viagra or whatever.
Am I breaking any laws?
Are you conspiracy theorists just confabulating?
Are there actually laws that address my actions?
Some here say yes...to these assertions but provide no substantive or credible reference whatsoever.
I think I'd be breaking no laws.
I suspect the government really does not care about me, an honest citizen.
This is one of those threads that would benefit by the introduction of some facts.
HKS
Only thing "little" safes are good for is providing convenient carrying cases for thieves....
No.Am I breaking any laws?
That's just what they do.Are you conspiracy theorists just confabulating?
Yes, but they aren't impacted by SB1241.Are there actually laws that address my actions?
I think you'd be right.I think I'd be breaking no laws.
In the context of SB1241, you're certainly right about that.I suspect the government really does not care about me, an honest citizen.
But then it would be nowhere near as fun!This is one of those threads that would benefit by the introduction of some facts.
.......All you have to do, really, is read the bill.........