Carrying handgun in car without CCL

[Vaquero]

BTW, you can keep it in the glove box. No problem.

 

[shortround]

I get very tired with these threads the morph into, "I won't buy if the seller requires a BOS, or I won't sell unless the buyer accepts a BOS."

Yeah I know, I don't need to read these threads and can click out so please don't come back with that.

The fact of the matter is a BOS is really no big friggin deal. I sold a few larger items in a garage sale a number of years back, and I made out BOS. I felt it was a good will gesture to make the deal perfectly understandable by both parties. IE, sold as is, no warranty implied, etc.

I don't understand why some are so hell bent on not having a BOS. And, yes I know it's not required. So if you came to my garage sale, and wanted to buy a lawnmower I had up for sale, would you bulk at a BOS that protects both parties?

My sentiments exactly!

We have to show ID to cash a check, get on an airplane, cross an international border .... take a crap in the County Court House latrine ...

But don't have to show ID to vote or buy a gun?

If you do keep your gun concealed in the car long term, be sure to replace the ammo on a regular basis, because this Texas heat and humidity will eventually kill your powder charges.

 

[Dash Riprock]

You have to show an ID to buy a gun from a licensed dealer. You do not have to show an ID to buy a gun from a private resident of Texas, although the seller may reasonably ask to see one to verify that you are in fact a Texas resident.

Soon you will have to show an ID to vote, as well you should.

 

[shortround]

You have to show an ID to buy a gun from a licensed dealer. You do not have to show an ID to buy a gun from a private resident of Texas, although the seller may reasonably ask to see one to verify that you are in fact a Texas resident.

Soon you will have to show and ID to vote, as well you should.

Exactly!

Just got my new voter registration card, and was moved into another U.S. Congressional district. Checked with the .gov website, and my address is still listed in my old Congressional District.

My {former} Congressman is gonna get a call from me tomorrow.

Beware of redistricting machinations!

 

[navyguy]

Soon you will have to show and ID to vote, as well you should.

Hallelujah atriot:

 

[M. Sage]

so.... You do not have to do any paper trail when you sale a firearm. Not like a vehicle when you sell/trade, you do a vehicle of title transfer. Im almost positive your saying no, just wanna make sure before I go on 50 years thinking this. Thanks a lot. I thought it was required as I sold a gun last year and have been worried about it since, since I did not get any paperwork at all. Thanks again guys. Glad I joined this site

Vehicles are registered with the state. Guns are not (except for NFA stuff and that's federal), and therefore require NO record of sale.

Last gun I sold, the buyer started to show me his CHL. I just said, "man, put that away. You don't look like a crack dealer."

 

[navyguy]

Vehicles are registered with the state. Guns are not (except for NFA stuff and that's federal), and therefore require NO record of sale.

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And I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that is not required. My point is it's just not that big of a deal as some make it out to be. Like OMG my personal rights are being violated. Please, there are bigger issues to address in the gun rights world then a seller asking for some ID.

 

[M. Sage]

And I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that is not required. My point is it's just not that big of a deal as some make it out to be. Like OMG my personal rights are being violated. Please, there are bigger issues to address in the gun rights world then a seller asking for some ID.

... there's no purpose to asking for one, though. It doesn't protect you in any way, shape or form. If you want to record my name and stuff in your book, you've got that. But from a legal standpoint, that bill of sale is a piece of toilet paper that someone scribbled on.

 

[Bithabus]

IIWY, I would tell co-workers they are right and you no longer carry a gun in your car.

Never again discuss guns with co-workers. Ever.

Listen to Renegade.

 

[navyguy]

... there's no purpose to asking for one, though. It doesn't protect you in any way, shape or form. If you want to record my name and stuff in your book, you've got that. But from a legal standpoint, that bill of sale is a piece of toilet paper that someone scribbled on.

Okay, but it's still no big friggin deal, and I don't understand why people get so up tight about it one way or the other. Good grief.

 

[shooterfpga]

taking the law into your own hands, creating a gun registry and being complacent that its no harm no foul is the first thing that allows gun grabbers to succeed. unfortunately, being a member of several gun forums through the years, the amount of gun grabbers among us as supposed firearms enthusiasts has more than tripled with many trying to introduce innocent ideas about how they can make buying, owning, selling and using guns safe while they "only" restrict a "few" people. no thanks.

at first it was just a bill of sale, then it became a handgun safety certificate, then a single shot sled pistol, then a 10rd magazine capacity.

 

[M. Sage]

Okay, but it's still no big friggin deal, and I don't understand why people get so up tight about it one way or the other. Good grief.

Right now there isn't. Worst case scenario (the one the 2A exists for): I may someday have to be able to honestly answer "I have no idea".

 

[Bithabus]

Right now there isn't. Worst case scenario (the one the 2A exists for): I may someday have to be able to honestly answer "I have no idea".

How about this for a worst case scenario:

Jones insists on a BOS because the internet said it is a good idea. Later, scumbags break into Jones' home and steal his guns and his stack of BOS. Then, the scumbags burglarize all the people who gave Jones their info because it "couldn't hurt".

 

[bagged02]

Kinda like saying, scumbags robs all the banks in the area because he needed money and they are the places that had it. Scumbag robbed all the local acadamys because they sold guns and thats what he was after. lol GTFOH

 

[Mexican_Hippie]

IIWY, I would tell co-workers they are right and you no longer carry a gun in your car.

Never again discuss guns with co-workers. Ever.

I get why people say this. I do. But being too closed down on the topic is not good either.

My approach is to not give any detailed information about where I have anything, but openly talk about shooting and hunting. OPSEC doesn't mean you have to have a complete blackout on topics. You just have to be careful what information comes out.

This is Texas and I refuse to have our culture hijacked. Because of this openness the culture in our office has become much more gun friendly over the last several years and the discussion is no longer a taboo. A number of people new people have been introduced to shooting, and others who were afraid to talk about it now can breathe a little easier.

 

[TheDan]

Never again discuss guns with co-workers. Ever.

If we treat guns like a dirty secret, then others will too. I think it's better for all of us to be open about our hobbies. If you act weird about it, other people will shun it.

I've never been overt about my gun hobby, but I've taken a few co-workers shooting and word has gotten around that I'm a "gun guy". I pretty much never initiate the conversation, but people come up to me talking about guns all the time. You might be surprised how many of your co-workers are interested in it if they knew you were, too.

 

[M. Sage]

I bring guns to work just to show them off...

How about this for a worst case scenario:Jones insists on a BOS because the internet said it is a good idea. Later, scumbags break into Jones' home and steal his guns and his stack of BOS. Then, the scumbags burglarize all the people who gave Jones their info because it "couldn't hurt".

More likely Jones isn't the boyscout everybody thinks he is and starts sharing BOS info with sketchy people...

 

[Charlie]

Looks like we need to make a list or two. One for those here that say, "No bill of sale, no way, no how, screw you I won't buy from you if you require one!" And another list for those that say, "I've got to have a bill of sale for protection just in case "something" happens, and I won't sell without one!" If you're on the first list and want to buy a gun from someone on the second list............hell, just lie to him/her and pad the deal with bullshit! Buy the gun and say goodby!

 

[Renegade]

How about this for a worst case scenario:

Jones insists on a BOS because the internet said it is a good idea. Later, scumbags break into Jones' home and steal his guns and his stack of BOS. Then, the scumbags burglarize all the people who gave Jones their info because it "couldn't hurt".

How about this one:

Jones gets BOS and keeps them safe. One day ATF shows up at Jones door, as one of the guns he sold made its way to Mexico and was used in a murder. ATF asks for any records he may have of who he sold to. Jones thinks, I knew those idiots on the Internet were wrong when they told me not to keep records, I just protected myself! Jones quickly prints out names of buyers as he also keeps them in Excel encrypted on his computer, for inventory purposes.

Later ATF searches his home finds original BOS he did not provide. Charges him with lying to Federal Agents.

Sound ridiculous? Happened to FBI Agent John Shipley, who is now serving time in a Federal Prison.

How about another real life example?

Jones sells gun to Smith at gun show. They exchange BOS. Later Smith is caught with gun, and is found to be illegal alien, even though he had Texas DL. Smith makes deal with ATF and tells ATF Jones is the supplier of guns to illegals. Jones goes to Jail, Smith gets immunity.


Never keep records. Never.


ETA - just remembered another-

Jones gets BOS and keeps them safe. One day ATF shows up at Jones door, as one of the guns he sold was recovered at a crime scene. ATF asks for any records he may have of who he sold to. Jones thinks, I knew those idiots on the Internet were wrong when they told me not to keep records, I just protected myself! Jones quickly gives ALL of his receipts, BOS, etc, to ATF, to help in investigation, after all, Jones "has nothing to hide, and did nothing wrong".

ATF decides Jones buys/sells too many guns, and charges him with Firearms Dealing without a License. Jones is now in Federal Prison.

ETA2:

fixed some name reference errors.

 

[Renegade]

I get why people say this. I do. But being too closed down on the topic is not good either.

My approach is to not give any detailed information about where I have anything, but openly talk about shooting and hunting. OPSEC doesn't mean you have to have a complete blackout on topics. You just have to be careful what information comes out.

This is Texas and I refuse to have our culture hijacked. Because of this openness the culture in our office has become much more gun friendly over the last several years and the discussion is no longer a taboo. A number of people new people have been introduced to shooting, and others who were afraid to talk about it now can breathe a little easier.

If we treat guns like a dirty secret, then others will too. I think it's better for all of us to be open about our hobbies. If you act weird about it, other people will shun it.

I've never been overt about my gun hobby, but I've taken a few co-workers shooting and word has gotten around that I'm a "gun guy". I pretty much never initiate the conversation, but people come up to me talking about guns all the time. You might be surprised how many of your co-workers are interested in it if they knew you were, too.

Talking about the shooting sports and arguing with co-workers about whether it is legal or not to have a gun in your car (presumably on work property) are two very different things.