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  • popper

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    Those who were killed deserve more than to be forgotten by the general public.
    Tragic for sure and the Media trys to keep it front page. But it's just evil in the world and it's NOT going away. Most nobody knows or remembers the names of those or the Allen dead. But they also don't know the names of those dying from drugs or auto accidents. Kinda like 'thank you for your service' to vets, makes the person saying it feel better?
    But Gov will spend b$ on 'mental health' that won't make a bit of difference - just make public 'feel' better. Just like the mementoes from the funeral when a loved one passes.
     

    easy rider

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    Tragic for sure and the Media trys to keep it front page. But it's just evil in the world and it's NOT going away. Most nobody knows or remembers the names of those or the Allen dead. But they also don't know the names of those dying from drugs or auto accidents. Kinda like 'thank you for your service' to vets, makes the person saying it feel better?
    But Gov will spend b$ on 'mental health' that won't make a bit of difference - just make public 'feel' better. Just like the mementoes from the funeral when a loved one passes.
    I haven't seen them spend billions on mental health since they shut down all the institutes. I have seen them spend money feeding their addictions. Doesn't make me feel better.
     

    Wudidiz

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    I haven't seen them spend billions on mental health since they shut down all the institutes. I have seen them spend money feeding their addictions. Doesn't make me feel better.
    That's right. The state legislators shutdown mental facility funding and now it's either prison or the street for the mentally ill.
     

    Sasquatch

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    That's right. The state legislators shutdown mental facility funding and now it's either prison or the street for the mentally ill.

    Its not so much state legislators - the ACLU won a huge lawsuit that caused ripples nation-wide because they claimed locking up the mentally ill was cruel and unusual - so they turned them all out onto the streets and shut down the state mental health hospitals by and large - and now its damn hard to commit these people and get them the help they need AND keep them AWAY from the general public.

    I deal with them every day at work. Homeless, drug addicted (self medicating, mostly because they like it more than their "real" medicine) and emotionally unstable.

    A lot of them are senior citizens even - there is one man who is in his late 60s or early 70's - I'm not sure exactly which - but he's getting disability and SSA - he has a relative who is legally his care taker and payee - the person who is supposed to be responsible for his welfare and paying his bills. They take his money and put him on the street, with just a few dollars a month for cigs and *some* food. He's at our hospital *every* day. Usually not checking in to be seen, though sometimes because he *does* have medical problems. Its just that our facility is stable and safer than the streets. Honestly - we're more family to him than his own blood. We've talked to law enforcement, we've talked to his state social worker - no one will do anything to go after the sister and no one will do anything to ensure he's cared for, or to put him in a home.

    Those who wind up in our psych ward / behavioral health unit are there temporarily - once the docs feel they aren't a harm to themselves or others - they're booted and told "take your medicine" - and like a boomerang, they're usually back, sooner rather than later.

    Same faces. We get to know their names.

    I feel bad for them - its a mix of circumstance and choices that lead them to where they are - but the key is that none of them wind up getting put up in a mental health hospital because its damned hard to commit someone (which, I won't argue is necessarily a bad thing, but the process is too damn slow when its clear that a person DOES need help and does need segregated from the general public, whether they want it or not)

    Prison is not the right place for the majority of these people. A regular hospital is not the right place for the majority of these people. The streets are not the right place for any of them. Generations of family unit destruction, which kicked in to high gear under Johnson has shown us what comes of it. Mentally ill children become mentally ill teens - some of them turn into killers, or they take their own lives. Those that make it to adult hood usually wind up in trouble with the law. Sometimes they wind up killers, or taking their own life.

    We don't have a gun problem. We have a mental health crisis brought upon us by the crumbling of our moral foundations and institutions - the family institution, the health institutions, and the criminal justice institution. Harris County DA won't prosecute most crimes. We can NOT get them to take a crim trespass charge. Best case - the cops pick up someone and drop them off down the street. They're gone for an hour, maybe a day, then they're back. When those tasked with upholding the law refuse, when the tools are taken away from those who will do it, and when we cannot lock away those who are a threat to the public - what happens?
     

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    Its not so much state legislators - the ACLU won a huge lawsuit that caused ripples nation-wide because they claimed locking up the mentally ill was cruel and unusual - so they turned them all out onto the streets and shut down the state mental health hospitals by and large - and now its damn hard to commit these people and get them the help they need AND keep them AWAY from the general public.

    And they managed to blame the Reagan Administration for it, so they get to claim the heartless conservatives hate the mentally ill.
     

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    Sasquatch, your post mirrors exactly several books I've read lately, most written by RNs working ED or doctors working ED. I don't see how they do it.

    No surprise, as I spend a lot of time in the ED, and its where about half our calls for service are. Its also no co-incidence that our security command center is literally at the walk in ED entrance.
     

    DoubleDuty

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    The problem is those that have money get mental health care and those that don't get the shaft. Poor people in state run mental hospitals were physically abused that is the reason they are on the streets now. I have first hand experience with the mental health system. My son suffered from Aspergers and schizophrenia from birth till his death as an adult. The dems don't want to fix the problem of mass shootings because their plan is to use everyone of these tragedies to push their agenda of making all of us subjects. Their plan is to create enough anarchy and brainwash enough of the stupid into supporting their unconstitutional moves. They are evil scum.
     

    toddnjoyce

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    @Sasquatch - Damn. I'm sure you are exactly right, and that's depressing.

    The other big driver for de-institutionalization was JFK’s Community Mental Health Act.
    On Oct. 31, 1963, President John F. Kennedy signed a bill meant to free many thousands of Americans with mental illnesses from life in institutions. It envisioned building 1,500 outpatient mental health centers to offer them community-based care instead. The bill would be the last piece of legislation Kennedy would ever sign; he was assassinated three weeks later.


    If you’re really interested in the concept behind it, read his speech on it.

    About a decade later the ACLU won the lawsuit that states couldn’t forcibly commit people to institutions.


    Like many federal programs, it wasn’t as successful or efficient as envisioned and eventually the last remaining programs were killed by Reagan who turned the funds into state block grants.
     

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    From the publisher:

    Progressives claimed they knew how to solve homelessness, inequality, and crime. But in cities they control, progressives made those problems worse.

    San Fransicko reveals that the underlying problem isn’t a lack of housing or money for social programs. The real problem is an ideology that designates some people, by identity or experience, as victims entitled to destructive behaviors. The result is an undermining of the values that make cities, and civilization itself, possible.


    The secondary title says it all as the author lays out the situation. Spoiler alert: go to page 247 to read a synopsis of the major points the author makes in preceding pages. The last chapters are his solutions to improve the situation over many years.
     

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    Sasquatch

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    From the publisher:

    Progressives claimed they knew how to solve homelessness, inequality, and crime. But in cities they control, progressives made those problems worse.

    San Fransicko reveals that the underlying problem isn’t a lack of housing or money for social programs. The real problem is an ideology that designates some people, by identity or experience, as victims entitled to destructive behaviors. The result is an undermining of the values that make cities, and civilization itself, possible.


    The secondary title says it all as the author lays out the situation. Spoiler alert: go to page 247 to read a synopsis of the major points the author makes in preceding pages. The last chapters are his solutions to improve the situation over many years.

    Is there a sequal called "Californicated: How Progressive Californians Ruined America" ?? If not, there should be.
     

    DoubleDuty

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    The problem is those that have money get mental health care and those that don't get the shaft. Poor people in state run mental hospitals were physically abused that is the reason they are on the streets now. I have first hand experience with the mental health system. My son suffered from Aspergers and schizophrenia from birth till his death as an adult. The dems don't want to fix the problem of mass shootings because their plan is to use everyone of these tragedies to push their agenda of making all of us subjects. Their plan is to create enough anarchy and brainwash enough of the stupid into supporting their unconstitutional moves. They are evil scum.
    I forgot to add we made sure our son had no access to fireams.
     

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    Good documentary about the response to the shooting.


    Thanks for posting. I have watched Frontlne shows before and this one was the usual format so I skipped to near the end to hear just their conclusions why and what happened. Terrible tragedy for all involved except the scumbag shooter. Like the Columbine High School shooting in 1999 this must lead to better law enforcement action in such a situation. So much depends on the character and abilities of those first responders and especially any immediate responders (teachers, staff, parents, bystanders) who could take action before police arrive. When seconds counts the police are minutes away.

    At the end of the 2023-2024 public school year in Texas and future years let's note any campus shootings if any since state law now requires armed security of some sort everywhere.
     

    orbitup

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    Its not so much state legislators - the ACLU won a huge lawsuit that caused ripples nation-wide because they claimed locking up the mentally ill was cruel and unusual - so they turned them all out onto the streets and shut down the state mental health hospitals by and large - and now its damn hard to commit these people and get them the help they need AND keep them AWAY from the general public.

    I deal with them every day at work. Homeless, drug addicted (self medicating, mostly because they like it more than their "real" medicine) and emotionally unstable.

    A lot of them are senior citizens even - there is one man who is in his late 60s or early 70's - I'm not sure exactly which - but he's getting disability and SSA - he has a relative who is legally his care taker and payee - the person who is supposed to be responsible for his welfare and paying his bills. They take his money and put him on the street, with just a few dollars a month for cigs and *some* food. He's at our hospital *every* day. Usually not checking in to be seen, though sometimes because he *does* have medical problems. Its just that our facility is stable and safer than the streets. Honestly - we're more family to him than his own blood. We've talked to law enforcement, we've talked to his state social worker - no one will do anything to go after the sister and no one will do anything to ensure he's cared for, or to put him in a home.

    Those who wind up in our psych ward / behavioral health unit are there temporarily - once the docs feel they aren't a harm to themselves or others - they're booted and told "take your medicine" - and like a boomerang, they're usually back, sooner rather than later.

    Same faces. We get to know their names.

    I feel bad for them - its a mix of circumstance and choices that lead them to where they are - but the key is that none of them wind up getting put up in a mental health hospital because its damned hard to commit someone (which, I won't argue is necessarily a bad thing, but the process is too damn slow when its clear that a person DOES need help and does need segregated from the general public, whether they want it or not)

    Prison is not the right place for the majority of these people. A regular hospital is not the right place for the majority of these people. The streets are not the right place for any of them. Generations of family unit destruction, which kicked in to high gear under Johnson has shown us what comes of it. Mentally ill children become mentally ill teens - some of them turn into killers, or they take their own lives. Those that make it to adult hood usually wind up in trouble with the law. Sometimes they wind up killers, or taking their own life.

    We don't have a gun problem. We have a mental health crisis brought upon us by the crumbling of our moral foundations and institutions - the family institution, the health institutions, and the criminal justice institution. Harris County DA won't prosecute most crimes. We can NOT get them to take a crim trespass charge. Best case - the cops pick up someone and drop them off down the street. They're gone for an hour, maybe a day, then they're back. When those tasked with upholding the law refuse, when the tools are taken away from those who will do it, and when we cannot lock away those who are a threat to the public - what happens?

    I have first hand experience with this. My brother should have been locked up in a nut hut permanently but they would usually only keep him for a couple of months at a time, after he came at my dad with a hammer for instance. My parents tried to get them to keep him locked up and were literally told "we can't unless he kills somebody". Well that's what he did and ended up in prison. Now I don't have my father and he didn't get any help in prison.

    We would all be a lot safer if these people were kept off of the streets like we used to do.
     
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