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    leVieux

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    No one has proposed diminution of “landowner rights”; BUT, there are new considerations when the owner invites the general public in, as many businesses do.

    That can result in “conflicting rights”, not all of which would be resolved in the owner’s favor.

    There are even greater issues, such as “public interest”.

    Many become legal disputes in our courts.

    Despite contrary “opinions”, landowner rights do not always prevail.

    IANAL

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    More arcane comments...funny, funny stuff!

    Look there's a cloud - Get ready - It's here - Yell and Yell Loudly!

    See anyone can make oblique and silly comments...
     

    Axxe55

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    No one has proposed diminution of “landowner rights”; BUT, there are new considerations when the owner invites the general public in, as many businesses do.

    That can result in “conflicting rights”, not all of which would be resolved in the owner’s favor.

    There are even greater issues, such as “public interest”.

    Many become legal disputes in our courts.

    Despite contrary “opinions”, landowner rights do not always prevail.

    IANAL

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    JUST BECAUSE IT'S OPEN TO YHE PUBLIC DOESN'T MAKE PRIVATE PROPRTY PUBLIC PROPERTYYOU ARE THERE BY INVITATION AND AS A GUEST AND IMPLYING TO AGREE TO THEIR RULES AND POLICIES!JUST LIKE BEING INVITED INTO A PERSON'S HOME YOU CAN'T TREAT ITAS IF YOU MAKE THE RULES OR REGULATIONSAND PROPERTY OWNERS WILL ALWAYS PREVAILMOST STATE LAWS SUPPORT THAT!
     

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    JUST BECAUSE IT'S OPEN TO YHE PUBLIC DOESN'T MAKE PRIVATE PROPRTY PUBLIC PROPERTYYOU ARE THERE BY INVITATION AND AS A GUEST AND IMPLYING TO AGREE TO THEIR RULES AND POLICIES!JUST LIKE BEING INVITED INTO A PERSON'S HOME YOU CAN'T TREAT ITAS IF YOU MAKE THE RULES OR REGULATIONSAND PROPERTY OWNERS WILL ALWAYS PREVAILMOST STATE LAWS SUPPORT THAT!
    There already is a difference in private property and open to the public property, try putting up a sign that discriminates on the basis of race, etc. to open to the public property. The question with anti-gun signs at places that I must go into (such as medical), do private property rights hold a higher priority than my rights to self defense? I can think of no right that is more important than self defense.
     

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    There already is a difference in private property and open to the public property, try putting up a sign that discriminates on the basis of race, etc. to open to the public property. The question with anti-gun signs at places that I must go into (such as medical), do private property rights hold a higher priority than my rights to self defense? I can think of no right that is more important than self defense.
    ENTER MY PROPERTY ARMED WITHOUT BEING INVITED AND I'LL BE GLADTO SHOW YOU THE LAWS WORK IN MY FAVOR, NOT YOURS!
     

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    No one has proposed diminution of “landowner rights”; BUT, there are new considerations when the owner invites the general public in, as many businesses do.

    That can result in “conflicting rights”, not all of which would be resolved in the owner’s favor.

    There are even greater issues, such as “public interest”.

    Many become legal disputes in our courts.

    Despite contrary “opinions”, landowner rights do not always prevail.

    IANAL

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    if i have a garage or yard sale at my home put an ad on facebookor put up a sign the in essence i'm inviting the general public to my property please explain at what point i lost the right to have rules or policies in regards to my property?simple answer i didn't because it's still private property and under my control!
     

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    if i have a garage or yard sale at my home put an ad on facebookor put up a sign the in essence i'm inviting the general public to my property please explain at what point i lost the right to have rules or policies in regards to my property?simple answer i didn't because it's still private property and under my control!
    Yours unless your sign says no gays. You don’t have unlimited rights for a public event. Country clubs had no Jews or Blacks signs too. Laws have changed. Which right would you rather have, self defense or no shoes no service?
     

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    Yours unless your sign says no gays. You don’t have unlimited rights for a public event. Country clubs had no Jews or Blacks signs too. Laws have changed. Which right would you rather have, self defense or no shoes no service?
    when you're the guest on someone's property it's implied that you consent to abide by the rules of the property owner!
     

    rotor

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    when you're the guest on someone's property it's implied that you consent to abide by the rules of the property owner!
    My question to you is simple, is your right to self defense a higher priority than my right to decide who can come onto my property (which is already restricted by law)? I can think of no right more important than self defense (the right to life). This has been hashed over a million times and some people still place property rights higher on the totem pole than self defense. If you have lost the right to live (self defense) what do you have left?
     

    candcallen

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    I thought it was Life, then Liberty and the pursuit of happiness cause you can't have the latter 2 without the first.

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    If I offend ill happily leave your property if asked. I won't abdicate by right or responsibility to life to anyone. I also don't Cary superman supervision to read the 35 lines of prohibitions on the doors to some places written in slightly opaque vinyl lettering. I'm over 50 and I'd need 3 pr of eye glasses and a million lumin light just to see most of that shit.
     

    leVieux

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    My question to you is simple, is your right to self defense a higher priority than my right to decide who can come onto my property (which is already restricted by law)? I can think of no right more important than self defense (the right to life). This has been hashed over a million times and some people still place property rights higher on the totem pole than self defense. If you have lost the right to live (self defense) what do you have left?
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    The issue usually involves private properties onto which the owner has INVITED the general public in, even advertised it. In that case, a conflict of “Rights” can exist.

    In general, no person is allowed to negate or restrict another person’s GOD given, Constitutionally enumerated, Rights.

    What if the owner said: You can’t talk or even breathe in here, but come on in anyway.? What if they said one couldn’t DEFEND THEMSELVES from violent attack, once inside?

    So, Courts can decide these issues based on specifics.

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    The issue usually involves private properties onto which the owner has INVITED the general public in, even advertised it. In that case, a conflict of “Rights” can exist.

    In general, no person is allowed to negate or restrict another person’s GOD given, Constitutionally enumerated, Rights.

    What if the owner said: You can’t talk or even breathe in here, but come on in anyway.? What if they said one couldn’t DEFEND THEMSELVES from violent attack, once inside?

    So, Courts can decide these issues based on specifics.

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    IF PTIVATE PROPERTY IS POSTED WITH NO GUNS ALLOWEDYOU ARE MAKING A CHOICE TO EITHER ABIDE OR IGNORE THE WISHES OF THE PROPERTY OWNER! NO ONE IS BEING FORCED INTO ENTERING THE PTOPERTY AND ATTEMPTING TO USE RIGHT TO LIFE OR SELF DEFENSEE AS A BASIS TO DISREGARD THE RIGHTS OF THE PROPERTY OWNER IS JUST REDICULOUS AND STUPID!
     

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    leVieux

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    Does a "No guns allowed" sign on private property carry weight?
    This is the issue under discussion; if there was no invitation in, then most would say that it does.

    It is after the owner had invited the public to enter, even advertised it; then how much weight does it still carry”.

    A “conflict of rights”.

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