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  • DougC

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    Almost any idea is better than yours. I've been trying to explain the better idea to you for days now.

    Fact 1 - Someone who doesn't always vote for us is better than someone who will always vote against us. You see, there are two kinds of bills in the Senate - Republican bills that often serve our interests at least somewhat, and Dem bills that always go against our agenda. Cornyn at least (and with a couple of notable exceptions) votes against the Dem agenda. You seem unwilling to understand so let me try yet another analogy. You're at the shooting range. The idiot to your right rarely hits his target. The idiot to your left is actively shooting at you. You propose planning your next range day with the idiot to the left, so you can hopefully teach the idiot on your right a lesson.

    Fact 2 - Giving a Dem the seat means we may not get it back. What a foolish risk. Please refer to Fact 1 for the reason why.

    You want us to cut off our nose to spite our face. We need to primary Cornyn out, but if we can't we must not allow the Dems to have the seat. Have you not figured out that if we give them an inch they take a mile? How is splitting the Texas vote in the Senate a productive outcome? That would not be a "short term loss" it would be "screwing ourselves with the hope that we can be un-screwed later". It's not going to work the way you've decided it will.
    Well stated about the reality of federal politics
     

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    Senate Republicans push for concealed carry reciprocity​

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ho...ealed-carry-reciprocity-second-amendment-bill

    Probably DOA in the Senate.
    This forum and the Four Boxes Diner call bulls**t on Senator Cornyn introducing national reciprocity bill. As others have said it will never get out of the Senate and very unlikely to pass House and never signed by Pres Biden. This bill has been in one form or another has been brought up in Congress since at least 2003 (just 20 long years).

    As Four Boxes Diner points out Senator Cornyn could have brought this matter up when promoting the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act. Like you vote for national reciprocity and we might vote for the red flag gun control law from last year.
     

    General Zod

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    Any candidates come to mind???

    That's the problem. Viable alternatives are actively discouraged and opposed by the GOP machine. We'd have to do a serious grassroots effort to overcome that. For the GOP, the fact that there's someone in that seat with an R after their name is good enough and they don't want to "rock the boat".

    Voting in a Democrat is not the answer. Throwing support behind a strong conservative opponent is.
     

    TxPython357

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    Any candidates come to mind???
    Unfortunately we are not afforded the choice. We are handed predetermined candidates that are determined by the RNC that will hold the party line. If your thinking outside their predetermined box, you have little to no chance of getting on the ballet. This system is busted. There are a few outliers I suppose, mostly on the democrat side, but generally, if you don't hold to the party plank, you don't see the light of day.
     

    General Zod

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    There are a few outliers I suppose, mostly on the democrat side, but generally, if you don't hold to the party plank, you don't see the light of day.

    The Dems tend to get rid of the outliers pretty quickly. The RNC is much more tolerant of RINOs leaning left than the DNC is of Dems not leaning far enough left.
     

    Cool 'Horn Luke

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    At the risk of repeating myself again, you keep saying that but I still don't understand how a loyal, reliable Dem vote in the Senate is somehow better than an somewhat unreliable Republican vote that is prone to grandstanding. Hegar would have voted with the Dems 100% of the time on every vote. Cornyn still mostly votes the right way except when he thinks we won't notice.

    Your logic is severely flawed.

    [edited to fix a typo]
    Cornhole is a RINO and has got to go.
     

    General Zod

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    Cornhole is a RINO and has got to go.

    And I've never said anything to contradict that. In fact, I've repeated my dissatisfaction with Cornyn several times. But he doesn't need to be replaced with a socialist Dem. Allow me to illustrate the continuum here:


    <We're absolutely screwed>_____________<This jackass needs to go>__________<NOW we're talkin!>
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    _______Any Democrat__________________________John Cornyn_____________________A real conservative

    That's all I'm saying. I'm not willing to have us screwed just to get rid of the jackass. He needs to be ditched in a primary, and that's the only time ditching him won't make things worse instead of better.
     

    candcallen

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    You get rid of your parties trash in the primary. Anything else is criminal retardedness. Like letting your dog get coverd in tics and fleas cause you think it will teach them a lesson. You may not get them all off when you go to fix it later.

    In the general election you vote for your party or if you can't stomach the candidate you vote against the worst possible outcome.

    For those not keeping up, the worst possible outcome is any marxist getting elected to any seat anywhere at any time. Voters are ignorant uninformed and lazy and have a nasty habit of re-electing the incumbent regardless of record.

    NEVER BE SO STUPID TO TAKE THAT CHANCE!
     

    msharley

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    That's the problem. Viable alternatives are actively discouraged and opposed by the GOP machine. We'd have to do a serious grassroots effort to overcome that. For the GOP, the fact that there's someone in that seat with an R after their name is good enough and they don't want to "rock the boat".

    Voting in a Democrat is not the answer. Throwing support behind a strong conservative opponent is.
    Look at what transpired here, in PennsylVania, this past Fall....:clown:

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    Tell me again? The votin' 'chines ain't not a "fixed".....
     

    seeker_two

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    I said what I said. Zod's way guarantees a Democrat In Disguise stays in office for all time. My way has a Dem in for one term, but it clears out the GOP Primary for an actual conservative, Constitution-following candidate to succeed. Short-term status quo vs. long-term success.

    You decide.....
     

    oldag

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    I said what I said. Zod's way guarantees a Democrat In Disguise stays in office for all time. My way has a Dem in for one term, but it clears out the GOP Primary for an actual conservative, Constitution-following candidate to succeed. Short-term status quo vs. long-term success.

    You decide.....
    And if we can't get a true conservative in the primary now, what in the heck makes you think six years of a Dem voting 100% party line is going to change that in the subsequent primary? That is the fallacy is in your argument.

    Six years of another liberal and then the GOP trots out the same type candidate. No thanks.
     

    Cool 'Horn Luke

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    And I've never said anything to contradict that. In fact, I've repeated my dissatisfaction with Cornyn several times. But he doesn't need to be replaced with a socialist Dem. Allow me to illustrate the continuum here:


    <We're absolutely screwed>_____________<This jackass needs to go>__________<NOW we're talkin!>
    <------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------>
    _______Any Democrat__________________________John Cornyn_____________________A real conservative

    That's all I'm saying. I'm not willing to have us screwed just to get rid of the jackass. He needs to be ditched in a primary, and that's the only time ditching him won't make things worse instead of better.
    My apologies, I was leaving many assumptions on the table (and this is NOT directed at you Zod, I just want my position clearly stated).
    #1, Cornhole has got to go (I don't care how. Primary loss, brain aneurysm, enlarged heart failure, lead poisoning, etc, I DON'T CARE HOW).
    #2, #1 applies to every single other RINO (RINO is a simpler way to identify anyone that is not Conservative), starting with that scumbag Romney AND his niece(?) Ronna.
    #3, I think the RNC is beyond saving and needs to be replaced.
    #4, open primaries and that disaster of a process in Alaska has got to go. If you don't/can't see the collusion, between the RNC and DNC, behind the scenes to ensure strong Conservative candidates fail at the primary level, I don't know what to tell you (how else did we end up with that brain dead Fetterman and a reelected Warnock. All you have to do is look at the candidates opposing them).
    #5, I'd like to start the eradication process at the city council level and work up (ONLY way to ensure a foundational change in our politics).
    #6, returning the voting process to it's most basic elements. A piece of paper. A pen. A ballot counting machine that's not connected to anything but the wall outlet. A person standing there to ensure no shenanigans.
    #7, there's no such thing as a moderate demoncrap. I USED to consider all candidates based on their individual stances, no more. I will NEVER vote for anyone ever again that's not a PROVEN Conservative, and until a process is put into place to ensure that transparency, I'm done with voting (you will see me at the primaries though! Gotta dump Cornhole!).

    And all of this starts with kicking that asshole Cornhole to the street.
     
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    seeker_two

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    And if we can't get a true conservative in the primary now, what in the heck makes you think six years of a Dem voting 100% party line is going to change that in the subsequent primary? That is the fallacy is in your argument.

    Six years of another liberal and then the GOP trots out the same type candidate. No thanks.

    Then maybe CHL is right about #3.....and the TXGOP no longer deserves to win elections.
     

    DougC

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    And I've never said anything to contradict that. In fact, I've repeated my dissatisfaction with Cornyn several times. But he doesn't need to be replaced with a socialist Dem. Allow me to illustrate the continuum here:


    <We're absolutely screwed>_____________<This jackass needs to go>__________<NOW we're talkin!>
    <------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------>
    _______Any Democrat__________________________John Cornyn_____________________A real conservative

    That's all I'm saying. I'm not willing to have us screwed just to get rid of the jackass. He needs to be ditched in a primary, and that's the only time ditching him won't make things worse instead of better.
    Good scale to explain the issue. Very very hard to defeat an incumbent. There has to be a whole lot of voters who want to fire the current elected official of either party.
     

    General Zod

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    #3, I think the RNC is beyond saving and needs to be replaced.

    As Shakespeare said, "Aye, there's the rub..." If we as conservatives withdraw our support from the GOP, then all we do is split the anti-Dem vote. The less informed but still not left-leaning voters (which, honestly, is probably more than half of the Republican voter base) and the middle of the road swing voters will keep voting R by habit - it's not as though they actually look into a candidate's positions on an issue beyond what the press tells them. And no matter what some say, the solid Conservative vote isn't enough on its own to overcome the DNC vote - particularly because of the number of voters in the south who don't look at the issues and simply vote Dem because their parents and grandparents did.
     
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