Anyone De-Register Class 3

[ChrisTex]

Not sure if de-register may not be the proper wording, more like de-tax a class 3 firearm.

I have not been able to find any info on the subject of converting a class3 firearm back to a non class 3. The items making it class3 , suppressor/short barrel would have to be removed and not sure what you would do with it, sell or send to ATF.

Anyone ever do this?

Thanks in advance.

 

[baboon]

Your Google fu is very weak.

Machinegun Destruction | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

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This along the lines your asking? 3 tourch cuts is the most common for a machine gun a mortar it done differently as are suppressors.


A SBR/ SBS can be removed from the registry, but why?

Suppressors get the torch or crushed.

 

[ChrisTex]

Thanks for the reply but that's not what I'm looking for.

I'm talking about a taxed stamped firearm/Class 3 and removing the stamp and taxable items. In this case a AR-15 short barrel, integrally suppressed (2 stamps). Like to remove the short barrel and suppressor and replace with a 16'' barrel.

I don't want anything to do with the Class 3 stuff any longer.

You can destroy the items but what do you do when they come looking for it during an audit?

 

[V-Tach]

Is it registered to you?

 

[ChrisTex]

Is it registered to you?

Yes, I have the tax stamps.

 

[Orbie]

Sell them cheap and transfer

 

[baboon]

So you have an AR style semi auto registered with a short barreled upper and can. While the can is a separate deal with it serial number. The SBR is registered to the lowers serial number. Depending on how that was down will determine its value. A Colt registered SBR is worth more the a sloppy poverty pony with a bad engraving.

If you sell or give them away they would need to be transfer in some form. You are wonder about removing the SBR registration which is dosble


I was gifted some NFA items from and old friend. He seen they would just be something to mess his daughter up. I ended up gifting him back ammo.

He figured if I paid the stamps to get them off him we were good.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Post like this remind of Sean Cody. It can be done, but is tedious.

 

[GeorgeS]

1. You can sell the short-barrel upper by itself or, if placed on a pistol lower, it is no longer NFA. Send a letter to NFA Branch telling them the lower with the tax stamp is no longer a Title II firearm. They will mark it as such
2. The lower that was SBR'ed is just a regular Title I firearm. You can put any upper wiith a >16" barrel on it.
3. Sell the silencer to someone else., Once their Form 4 is approved, turn it over to them.

 

[mp_tx]

You need to remove the REGISTERED Lower from NFA. Pop the shorty suppressed upper off. Remove or leave your makers engraving on the lower. Send a certified letter to BATFE asking to remove from NFA registry. When you get confirmation, throw a minimum 16 inch barrel on it, and enjoy it as a rifle.

Sell and legally transfer the suppressor and barrel assembly to another NFA aficionado.

Or follow suppressor instructions above, and buy a more useful and enjoyable SBR upper. 10.5, 11.5, 12.5, 14.5?

Bottom line, it is extremely easy to remove an AR15 lower from NFA Registry.

EDIT- looks like George covered it above. For some reason, his post was not showing when I posted.


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[Eli]

IIRC you have to send a letter statring the items have been destroyed and requesting removal from the registry. Not the biggest of deals, but usually advised to transfer instead.

Eli

 

[mp_tx]

IIRC you have to send a letter statring the items have been destroyed and requesting removal from the registry. Not the biggest of deals, but usually advised to transfer instead.

Eli

No. You do not have to destroy an SBR to remove it from the Registry. SBR’s are removed from the registry all the time and sold on open market in rifle configuration (pinned and welded flash hider, for example).

Perhaps you are thinking of a Class 3 machine gun needing destroyed to be removed?


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[GeorgeS]

Or suppressors.

 

[baboon]

Perhaps you are thinking of a Class 3 machine gun needing destroyed to be removed?


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When you say class 3 machine gun do you mean
1) registered transferable
2) pre 86 dealer sample
3) post 86 dealer sample
4) LEO & Military only

 

[mp_tx]

When you say class 3 machine gun do you mean
1) registered transferable
2) pre 86 dealer sample
3) post 86 dealer sample
4) LEO & Military only

Class 3 as in not Class 2 SBR/SBS/AOW. The OP’s question is how to remove an SBR from the registry. Let’s rail this conversation back on point.


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[madwildcat]

Depending on what your long term goal is, it might easier to sell and transfer the whole setup and start from scratch. Plus side with this is you then get proof that your transferred the whole firearm, and have "washed your hands" completely of it, vs possibly still having parts of it that could be misconstrued in the future.

 

[Joshua - Capitol Armory]

Let's back it up. There is no "Class 3 Class 2" guns. There's Title 1 (GCA) and Title 2 (NFA). There's SOT classes, but that's a different sort of thing. The original post is quite confusing.

Am I correct in that you no longer want the lower receiver registered as a SBR, and you do not want the silencer any longer?

An SBR only is an SBR if it meets the specific criteria. So you can just go about your day and if it's not in a configuration that falls under SBR specs then there's really no need to deregister it. You can just ignore it for the most part. If you want to pull an SBR off the register, just send the ATF a dated and signed letter saying it's no longer a SBR, please remove from NFRTR and include a pic of it in a Title 1 configuration.

For the silencer, easiest way is to work out something with a dealer and "give" it to them. Have someone competent knock out the paperwork and take it off your hands. The alternative is to jump through hoops to destroy the can and prove it to the ATF.

The real question is why do you want to get rid of it?

 

[Sasquatch]

Sell that upper to a dealer, or see if they'll take it in trade it for a 16" upper. Then just send the ATF your letter telling them the gun is no longer an SBR, and have it removed. No destruction necessary. Why take any transferable NFA goodies out of the rotation, especially with the current looming gun control? If you're worried about getting a visit from the ATF in the future, should they start going door to door - guess what, you're already on the list and still on the list even if they de-register your SBR. Their "totally not a registry" registry exists. They've seized millions of firearms trasnfer records from dealers just in the last few years. You could literally give away or melt all your guns, post YouTube videos of you doing it, and you'd probably still get that knock, because they knew you *had* a gun at some point.

 

[Shady]

no need to even sell the upper put it on a pistol lower

as for the rest of it you have your answers in prev posts.


you can also crush cut into pcs the silencer and I would take a vid of it with the S/N visible in case anyone ever came looking for it not that that is ever going to happen unless you are busted for some reason. I guess you could also keep the can in its destroyed condition.

 

[Renegade]

Thanks for the reply but that's not what I'm looking for.

I'm talking about a taxed stamped firearm/Class 3 and removing the stamp and taxable items. In this case a AR-15 short barrel, integrally suppressed (2 stamps). Like to remove the short barrel and suppressor and replace with a 16'' barrel.

I don't want anything to do with the Class 3 stuff any longer.

You can destroy the items but what do you do when they come looking for it during an audit?

They dont come and audit non-FFLs.

If you dont want to deal with "Class 3 any longer" your only option is to destroy the silencer and BBL. I would remove the BBL from upper, first. and also install a new 16" BBL.

Then send a letter to ATF stating [SN of gun] has been permanently returned to Title I status,

I would keep a cut out of the Silencer info.