Towing with a Rivian electric truck

[Axxe55]

Right I understand that, its why if a hybrid EV were built with a gasoline engine to extend range to ~400+ Miles, that'd make a seamless transition because again, statistically the average trip is under 75 miles. Plug in hybrids can charge a smaller battery like that overnight on 110, no need for a 220 outlet even thought thats just a couple hundred dollars. I'd say if you're a homeowner buying a $60,000 vehicle, not sure a couple hundred to "fill" the batteries for $4 is a strong counterpoint.

Yes some people use trucks and vehicles beyond that but last time I was stuck on the toll road, there was at least 50 cars that I could see to 1 truck towing a trailer. Sure, there were work trucks not towing, but I also agree with you, i'm not sure an EV would replace those.

And what about the people that can't afford a $60K EV, and don't own their own home?

You also might want to check prices on electricians. I seriously doubt a couple hundred is going to get the job done.

And my golf cart is 48V, and with it's 110V charger, and spends closer to 14 hours on the charger even after just using it a few hours during the day to bring the batteries back to full charge.

 

[Grumps21]

Right I understand that, its why if a hybrid EV were built with a gasoline engine to extend range to ~400+ Miles, that'd make a seamless transition because again, statistically the average trip is under 75 miles. Plug in hybrids can charge a smaller battery like that overnight on 110, no need for a 220 outlet even thought thats just a couple hundred dollars. I'd say if you're a homeowner buying a $60,000 vehicle, not sure a couple hundred to "fill" the batteries for $4 is a strong counterpoint.

Yes some people use trucks and vehicles beyond that but last time I was stuck on the toll road, there was at least 50 cars that I could see to 1 truck towing a trailer. Sure, there were work trucks not towing, but I also agree with you, i'm not sure an EV would replace those.

I'm sure that the majority if the trucks you saw on the toll road are white collars types shuffling back and forth to work empty. The problem is that it’s not cost effective to have a separate commuter car because that’s just another car insurance and registration to pay. That, and not everyone has driveway space for another vehicle.

 

[Axxe55]

I'm sure that the majority if the trucks you saw on the toll road are white collars types shuffling back and forth to work empty. The problem is that it’s not cost effective to have a separate commuter car because that’s just another car insurance and registration to pay. That, and not everyone has driveway space for another vehicle.

And especially if a person lives in an apartment.

 

[pronstar]

An electrician will install a 220v outlet for around $400, and you supply the charger which carries its own cost (unless the car came with one)


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[OutlawStar]

I'm sure that the majority if the trucks you saw on the toll road are white collars types shuffling back and forth to work empty. The problem is that it’s not cost effective to have a separate commuter car because that’s just another car insurance and registration to pay. That, and not everyone has driveway space for another vehicle.

Right, and again its why I think the plug-in hybrid vehicle would work for the vast majority of car owners; they can drive a statistical average distance using any gas, and if you do want to drive 400 miles+ the gas engine takes over and you drive it like normal. Don't get me wrong, I think the politicians and auto execs suggesting you buy a second car is silly. But if a single vehicle can run mostly on battery and reduce your gasoline consumption even by 50% throughout the year then the cost savings would be pretty big.

Yes, I also understand people sometimes haul stuff like cattle, couches, and other stuff. I get it. But you can't use the minority example to prove why the majority wouldn't work.

An electrician will install a 220v outlet for around $400, and you supply the charger which carries its own cost (unless the car came with one)


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Thanks for throwing actual pricing at it; I haven't had to install one but it seems like every time I have to hire a professional to do anything on my house its minimum $250. The "couple hundred dollars" I threw out there didn't mean exactly $200.

 

[Younggun]

Yes, I also understand people sometimes haul stuff like cattle, couches, and other stuff. I get it. But you can't use the minority example to prove why the majority wouldn't work.

You also can’t use the majority example to say it will work, because even if the majority of diving fits for a particular driver, his minority trips could leave him up shit creek.


Statistical averages just don’t work for what you’re trying to argue because it completely ignores everything that falls outside of that average, even for the individual driver.


It may work for some, and more power to them. But I’d say those who never exceed their statistical average are statistical anomalies.

 

[toddnjoyce]

…why I think the plug-in hybrid vehicle would work for the vast majority of car owners;…

You’re statement is the EV prosthelytizer equivalent to the anti-2A argument of nobody needs a 30-round magazine.

You are projecting your mindset on how others should think, not how they actually think.

 

[OutlawStar]

You’re statement is the EV prosthelytizer equivalent to the anti-2A argument of nobody needs a 30-round magazine.

You are projecting your mindset on how others should think, not how they actually think.

Nowhere did I say "nobody needs an 800 horsepower V8". Nowhere did I say ICE is bad. Nowhere did I say the government should take steps to eliminating ICE or incentivizing EVs. You're completely wrong in whatever your image of me is.

 

[Axxe55]

Right, and again its why I think the plug-in hybrid vehicle would work for the vast majority of car owners; they can drive a statistical average distance using any gas, and if you do want to drive 400 miles+ the gas engine takes over and you drive it like normal. Don't get me wrong, I think the politicians and auto execs suggesting you buy a second car is silly. But if a single vehicle can run mostly on battery and reduce your gasoline consumption even by 50% throughout the year then the cost savings would be pretty big.

Yes, I also understand people sometimes haul stuff like cattle, couches, and other stuff. I get it. But you can't use the minority example to prove why the majority wouldn't work.



Thanks for throwing actual pricing at it; I haven't had to install one but it seems like every time I have to hire a professional to do anything on my house its minimum $250. The "couple hundred dollars" I threw out there didn't mean exactly $200.

Even if it did save 50% on gasoline consumption, it's not a free ride. It takes energy to recharge the batteries on the vehicle, and it's going to cost to recharge at some place other than where the vehicle is stored at night.

 

[OutlawStar]

Even if it did save 50% on gasoline consumption, it's not a free ride. It takes energy to recharge the batteries on the vehicle, and it's going to cost to recharge at some place other than where the vehicle is stored at night.

Agreed, and depending on the price of electricity at your home its generally about $15-20 for 400 miles of range in a Tesla. Even a smaller battery, thats $3-4 for 100 miles of range. Thats better than the cost to run a small motorcycle by about double. I know some employers at least previously offered free charging at work. I buzzed through a parking lot a few weeks ago that had charging stations under covered parking topped with solar panels.

 

[mroper]

If all commuters went to Plugin vehicles the grid would collapse. they would have to fire up all those coal plants to keep up with demand.

 

[Darkpriest667]

If all commuters went to Plugin vehicles the grid would collapse. they would have to fire up all those coal plants to keep up with demand.

Not if we started using nuclear.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Nowhere did I say "nobody needs an 800 horsepower V8". Nowhere did I say ICE is bad. Nowhere did I say the government should take steps to eliminating ICE or incentivizing EVs. You're completely wrong in whatever your image of me is.

Nowhere did I say "nobody needs an 800 horsepower V8". Nowhere did I say ICE is bad. Nowhere did I say the government should take steps to eliminating ICE or incentivizing EVs. You're completely wrong in whatever your image of me is.

 

[pronstar]

Let’s say an EV has a range of 110 miles.

Half my driving is 150 miles per day, the other half is 50 miles per day.

Using a daily average indicates this is the perfect car for me…

A daily average isn’t good data to use in this instance.
Better to use data as it applies to my particular use.


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[Tnhawk]

Not if we started using nuclear.

When was the last nuclear plant built?

 

[toddnjoyce]

When was the last nuclear plant built?

The newest reactor to enter service is Tennessee’s Watts Bar Unit 2, which began operation in June 2016.

 

[Axxe55]

Agreed, and depending on the price of electricity at your home its generally about $15-20 for 400 miles of range in a Tesla. Even a smaller battery, thats $3-4 for 100 miles of range. Thats better than the cost to run a small motorcycle by about double. I know some employers at least previously offered free charging at work. I buzzed through a parking lot a few weeks ago that had charging stations under covered parking topped with solar panels.

Have you ever thought about the additional demands that would be put upon an aging infrastructure if so many people went to an EV? Also consider that the population is increasing, not decreasing, so that is additional housing that will also end up on the aging infrastructure, that I suspect is already running at it's limits. I seriously doubt it could stand such an additional strain.

 

[Axxe55]

Not if we started using nuclear.

When was the last nuclear plant built?

Personally, I think nuclear energy is the clean answer, but IMO, that is going to be harder an obstacle than ever, especially with the current administration, and the "greenies"

 

[no2gates]

Personally, I think nuclear energy is the clean answer, but IMO, that is going to be harder an obstacle than ever, especially with the current administration, and the "greenies"

I think they're all waiting for fusion reactors to become a reality. The fission reactors are a LOT more dangerous and then there'a the disposal issues.

 

[robertc1024]

Saw my first Rivian in the wild today in Norman OK. Of course, it wasn't pulling anything.