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  • JColumbus

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    It is my understanding that the business has to have the specific signage in order to ban you carrying on the premises and if there is a general no firearms sign it holds no power. Am I correct? For instance…

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    …Correct me if I’m wrong, but if you are Constitutional carrying you should still be able to carry in this business with this sign, right? It is not any form of a specific sign, but instead a general one. So does it have to be specific, or does a general one such as this one cover 05/06/07?

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    candcallen

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    Atleast that sign is visible. Most of the bastards put light color letters with no background on glass and you cant see them.

    Yes I know the legalities just making a point.
     

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    It is my understanding that the business has to have the specific signage in order to ban you carrying on the premises and if there is a general no firearms sign it holds no power. Am I correct? For instance…

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    …Correct me if I’m wrong, but if you are Constitutional carrying you should still be able to carry in this business with this sign, right? It is not any form of a specific sign, but instead a general one. So does it have to be specific, or does a general one such as this one cover 05/06/07?

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    Has been awhile since I went to the Dallas VA. They had the wording along with mention of knives without the pics as I remember. It was point blank enough as it is and why would anyone want to challenge it? A person starts splitting hairs they will lose with all this stuff.
     

    JColumbus

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    Has been awhile since I went to the Dallas VA. They had the wording along with mention of knives without the pics as I remember. It was point blank enough as it is and why would anyone want to challenge it? A person starts splitting hairs they will lose with all this stuff.

    This has nothing to do with challenging but everything to do with principle. If the store has a written paper that says “no weapons” and they are not following the law on how to properly ban guns from their property, why should the tie go to the runner - so to speak -, being that I should be able to easily be banned from carry weapons, but those who would have me banned, do not have to follow their end of the legislative duty?

    Now as far as challenging; WE SHOULD ALL CHALLENGE THIS SHIT, ALL THE TIME!

    I respect property rights, so if a person wants to ban guns on their property, fine, I will take my business somewhere else. However, if we allow it to become so easy to ban guns, we will get to a point where it could very well be something that we, as defenders, will be expected to assume that they aren’t wanted anywhere.

    Us: “Sorry officer, they didn’t have the proper signage.”

    Officer: “Well you should have known they wouldn’t want weapons on their property. Turn around buddy...”

    With all due respect, our rights are important enough to challenge even the slightest things over. Finally, as to your concluding statement, I guess we just differ in the fact that I don’t go into these types of things, already anticipating defeat. Especially as far as my rights are concerned.
     

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    This has nothing to do with challenging but everything to do with principle. If the store has a written paper that says “no weapons” and they are not following the law on how to properly ban guns from their property, why should the tie go to the runner - so to speak -, being that I should be able to easily be banned from carry weapons, but those who would have me banned, do not have to follow their end of the legislative duty?

    Now as far as challenging; WE SHOULD ALL CHALLENGE THIS SHIT, ALL THE TIME!

    I respect property rights, so if a person wants to ban guns on their property, fine, I will take my business somewhere else. However, if we allow it to become so easy to ban guns, we will get to a point where it could very well be something that we, as defenders, will be expected to assume that they aren’t wanted anywhere.

    Us: “Sorry officer, they didn’t have the proper signage.”

    Officer: “Well you should have known they wouldn’t want weapons on their property. Turn around buddy...”

    With all due respect, our rights are important enough to challenge even the slightest things over. Finally, as to your concluding statement, I guess we just differ in the fact that I don’t go into these types of things, already anticipating defeat. Especially as far as my rights are concerned.

    I have no idea where you are located, but in the city closest to us, (Pop. about 19K) there really haven't been a lot of changes in signage since September 1st and the new law went into effect.

    So how many of these signs are you seeing? A few or a lot?

    And you mention, we should "challenge" this shit all the time, then contradict yourself, with, "I respect property rights...." in your next paragraph.

    I don't care if the property or business owner had their child make a "No Guns" sign in Crayon to relay that message, or whether it meets the legal statutes of this state. The message to me is very loud and clear. They don't want guns on the premises.

    Whether the property, or business owner had the legal signage or not is something I am sure that will have to be fought over in court. I suspect in the long run, even if a person were to win, what do they really win? More and more property owners learning the laws against prohibited carry into their establishments, and putting up the proper signage. Maybe more law-abiding gun owners being arrested and fined for trespassing instead of just being asked to leave. Business or property owners that sort of just didn't care one or the other, deciding to put up signage prohibiting the carrying of firearms. And plus all the legal fees to win that battle! That's entirely on the premise that you win in court.

    What if you lose? How many times are you willing to expend the money in legal fees to challenge such signage in court that is not following the law?

    You, like many others always talk about your rights, as if your right to carry over-rules any rights a property or business owner has on their own property. Have you even given any thought for any other law-abiding gun carriers? Do you even care what message you would representing with challenging over such a trivial issue? Or is this all about YOU? And what you want?
     

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    And you mention, we should "challenge" this shit all the time, then contradict yourself, with, "I respect property rights...." in your next paragraph.

    ‍Actually, NO. Pay attention to the principle. You can respect property rights while challenging them to put up the proper signage as per the legislation.

    I respect property rights, but I’m going to challenge my neighbor if they have a ten foot “sculpture” of two guys going at it, all lit up on their lawn…

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    ‍Actually, NO. Pay attention to the principle. You can respect property rights while challenging them to put up the proper signage as per the legislation.

    I respect property rights, but I’m going to challenge my neighbor if they have a ten foot “sculpture” of two guys going at it, all lit up on their lawn…

    PRINCIPLE
    Honestly, I think the concept of principle is beyond your understanding. What I derive from you posts, is that it's about what you want or feel the need to.

    Why is it such a difficult concept if someone posts a sign, barring guns on their premises, regardless of whether that sign meets the legal statutes or not?

    Are you so anxious to spend money with people that hate guns, or even gun owners?

    If I see ANY type of sign saying guns are not allowed, then I conclude that I'll shop elsewhere. I'm not going to support those that believe in such things.

    Do what you want, but like Don Quixote, I think you're fighting windmills.
     

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    Walking past a 30.06 or 30.07 sign and claiming to not have seen it has had the penalty reduced to a Class ‘C’ misdemeanor (typically, a $200 fine).

    But private property owners can still verbally tell you to leave OR hand you a note, instructing you to depart the premises (and that note has no requirement for exact wording): “Get out now”, would do just fine.

    Here is a good synopsis (13.5 min):


    I’m in agreement with Axxe55; why would you give any anti-2A business your hard earned money (unless you had absolutely no choice). A “gun buster” sign would be sufficient for me to shop elsewhere!
     
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    Honestly, I think the concept of principle is beyond your understanding. What I derive from you posts, is that it's about what you want or feel the need to.

    Why is it such a difficult concept if someone posts a sign, barring guns on their premises, regardless of whether that sign meets the legal statutes or not?

    Are you so anxious to spend money with people that hate guns, or even gun owners?

    If I see ANY type of sign saying guns are not allowed, then I conclude that I'll shop elsewhere. I'm not going to support those that believe in such things.

    Do what you want, but like Don Quixote, I think you're fighting windmills.

    If you weren’t so caught in your feelings about such a simple subject, you’d had read that I stated that I would take my business somewhere else. My post was simply to gain understanding as to the signs and which signs meant what. It’s a child’s game to read so deeply into something and form assumptions about something, or someone, simply because you woke up on an ego trip.

    I actually know a group of people who play those games on a regular basis. They’re called women.

    Anyway, I know I won’t get far talking to the “I believe in the second amendment, BUT” type, so I’ll do you a favor. Go ahead and feed that ego and get that coveted last word in. I promise not to step on your feelings anymore.
     

    JColumbus

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    …why would you give any anti-2A business your hard earned money (unless you had absolutely no choice). A “gun buster” sign would be sufficient for me to shop elsewhere!

    I wouldn’t. That store was some videogame store and I don’t sit around playing video games. I simply saw the sign and was seeking clarification. I never planned to go in, didn’t desire to, and wasn’t at that location for that store. I don’t give companies my business who flaunt gay pride bull shit, are anti gun even if they don’t have signs, and I won’t support a business that would have me disarm in order to enter.
     

    Coyote9

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    If you weren’t so caught in your feelings about such a simple subject, you’d had read that I stated that I would take my business somewhere else. My post was simply to gain understanding as to the signs and which signs meant what. It’s a child’s game to read so deeply into something and form assumptions about something, or someone, simply because you woke up on an ego trip.

    I actually know a group of people who play those games on a regular basis. They’re called women.

    Anyway, I know I won’t get far talking to the “I believe in the second amendment, BUT” type, so I’ll do you a favor. Go ahead and feed that ego and get that coveted last word in. I promise not to step on your feelings anymore.
    folks ,get a grip here-there are several posts here that would or could result in FELONY charges. The Texas Law Center's evaluation of the new regulation and My own, say that ANY clearly worded or symbolic sign which a person should reasonable view prior to entrance OR verbal warning prohibiting firearms on their private property is valid. EVEN if you have a CHL and keep the weapon concealed.(CHL holder may get a pass on charges or a misdemeanor vice felony if the property is normally accessable to the public)
    I have been wrong before and likely will be again, however the wording is perfectly clear to me and like several people here have already said, The risk far outwiegh any moral high ground "win". AND if anyone trespasses while carrying on my property without my permission I will file charges and seek prosecution. We have had real problems with poachers and damage from plinkers who were trespassers. NOTE a CHL is not a license to trespass and take a look at Texas trespass laws in regards to ARMED TRESPASSING.
     
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