Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick says Senate currently lacks the votes to pass permitless carry

The #1 community for Gun Owners in Texas

Member Benefits:

  • Fewer Ads!
  • Discuss all aspects of firearm ownership
  • Discuss anti-gun legislation
  • Buy, sell, and trade in the classified section
  • Chat with Local gun shops, ranges, trainers & other businesses
  • Discover free outdoor shooting areas
  • View up to date on firearm-related events
  • Share photos & video with other members
  • ...and so much more!
  • benenglish

    Just Another Boomer
    Staff member
    Lifetime Member
    Admin
    Rating - 100%
    7   0   0
    Nov 22, 2011
    23,933
    96
    Spring
    Had to explain to several security guards they can use force to kicknsomeone out, but they absolutely cannot prevent someone from leaving who is trespassing.
    That boggles the mind. I have problems with the whole shopkeepers privilege thing but I was under the impression that it applied ONLY to suspected shoplifting.

    Under what theory did these security guards think they had the authority to ask someone to leave and then hold them, then preventing them from leaving? (Sheesh, even that question doesn't make sense...)
     

    45tex

    TGT Addict
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Feb 1, 2009
    3,449
    96
    The dimocraps yesterday kept claiming that only some tiny percent of Texans owned guns. It was like 3.5%. The scum god google says 45.7% of Texans own firearms.
    When I was a kid summers in east Texas it seemed like there were guns everywhere. Racks of guns in every room. And no shortage of folks more than willing to teach that poor kid from Californey. Why can't someone stand and call a liar a liar
    My Grandpa had 2 or 3 if you count my Mom things he openly disliked Californey and Afgallestan. Pronounced as written. He could never understand how my Dad allowed the GD Air Force to ever send us there, or why my Mom stayed.
     

    Lunyfringe

    Well-Known
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Sep 22, 2017
    1,402
    96
    Canton, TX
    The dimocraps yesterday kept claiming that only some tiny percent of Texans owned guns. It was like 3.5%. The scum god google says 45.7% of Texans own firearms.
    When I was a kid summers in east Texas it seemed like there were guns everywhere. Racks of guns in every room. And no shortage of folks more than willing to teach that poor kid from Californey. Why can't someone stand and call a liar a liar
    My Grandpa had 2 or 3 if you count my Mom things he openly disliked Californey and Afgallestan. Pronounced as written. He could never understand how my Dad allowed the GD Air Force to ever send us there, or why my Mom stayed.
    This is real simple... they are using the measure of "Registered Firearms"..... now here in the Great State of Texas, what is registered? NFA items.

    I can believe than only 3.5% of the population owns registered NFA items.

    They are blindly looking at numbers about something they have ZERO experience with.
     

    ZX9RCAM

    Over the Rainbow bridge...
    TGT Supporter
    Lifetime Member
    Rating - 100%
    2   0   0
    May 14, 2008
    59,734
    96
    The Woodlands, Tx.
    Signage. 30.06/07 wording can be more easily changed than creating new signage requirement, so I think a compromise can he reached. Those signs and the 51% sign need to go away, but they won’t anytime soon.

    Instant criminals. The good faith exception did not always exist for 30.06/30.07 or 51%. I’ve personally walked into posted places of all three varieties, then later found out I was violating and left when appropriate and have never had an LE interaction. Reality is LE issues the citation and it gets real ugly when a private business owner or their agent detains someone trying to leave the premises while waiting for LE to show up for a trespass violation.

    And just think, until all those new signs are put up, none of them would be valid.
     

    Wildcat Diva

    TGT Addict
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Aug 26, 2016
    3,040
    96
    This is real simple... they are using the measure of "Registered Firearms"..... now here in the Great State of Texas, what is registered? NFA items.

    I can believe than only 3.5% of the population owns registered NFA items.

    They are blindly looking at numbers about something they have ZERO experience with.

    I noticed this also during the hearing and thought it was hilarious that they tried to pass that off as what percentage owned guns in Texas.
     

    Renegade

    SuperOwner
    Rating - 100%
    1   0   0
    Mar 5, 2008
    11,747
    96
    Texas
    I have to wonder, if this becomes law and if a person is legally eligible under it to carry - how could that same person ever be turned down for a LTC if he (traditional use of the masculine pronoun 'he') wanted one!

    Class A Misdemeanor conviction.
     

    Renegade

    SuperOwner
    Rating - 100%
    1   0   0
    Mar 5, 2008
    11,747
    96
    Texas
    From GOA and a list of the amendments...

    "We are now reviewing amendments that were added by the Senate to look for issues that would break House rules governing the purpose of HB 1927. Our first impression has us very concerned. Will share more as soon as we can. Our goal is to make Texas the 21st Constitutional Carry state."

    It is like they are looking for a reason to screw this up.
     

    toddnjoyce

    TGT Addict
    Rating - 100%
    4   0   0
    Sep 27, 2017
    19,285
    96
    Boerne
    "We are now reviewing amendments that were added by the Senate to look for issues that would break House rules governing the purpose of HB 1927. Our first impression has us very concerned. Will share more as soon as we can. Our goal is to make Texas the 21st Constitutional Carry state."

    It is like they are looking for a reason to screw this up.

    Could be a signal that it may go to conference where the amendments it could possibly get killed off. I’ve been pessimistic on getting this bull through, but I’m cautiously optimistic if we keep the pressure up. I let Phelan and hot wheels know it’s time to git ‘er done today and intend to do so every day until it’s law.
     

    Renegade

    SuperOwner
    Rating - 100%
    1   0   0
    Mar 5, 2008
    11,747
    96
    Texas
    Could be a signal that it may go to conference where the amendments it could possibly get killed off. I’ve been pessimistic on getting this bull through, but I’m cautiously optimistic if we keep the pressure up. I let Phelan and hot wheels know it’s time to git ‘er done today and intend to do so every day until it’s law.

    IMO the best move is to pass it ASAP and clean it up in next session like we did in 95/97.
     

    Renegade

    SuperOwner
    Rating - 100%
    1   0   0
    Mar 5, 2008
    11,747
    96
    Texas
    Is there an easy to read version of the law with what it allows and does not allow? Trying to read the bill with "strike this" "add this", etc. is a nightmare.
     

    Texasgrillchef

    Active Member
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Jul 27, 2018
    408
    76
    Lewisville
    You seem confident and maybe you have an inside track but Schaefer seems to be concerned with some of the language in the amendments as does GOA according to the email I got last night.

    Maybe that’s all lip service to keep the troops rallied?

    I still don’t like the removal of the “oops clause”.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

    They are indeed concerned.... Rep Schafer though knows that if they don’t accept those amendments, they may not get this bill to governor at all. And thus CC won’t pass at all

    If you look closely, one of the senate amendments actually removed one of the house amendments. However, there is another bill that is out of committee that will basically come and add that language not to HB1927, but to the law code instead. Look at it is a go around. Odds are that bill will easily pass on its own. Thus that amendment isn’t needed.

    Look at it like this... do we pass it and get some form of cc, and then pass other laws next session to get what we lost this time? Or do we let it go to conference and risk loosing everything?

    Either way, the GOA and Rep Schaffer will have to make some concessions.
     

    cycleguy2300

    TGT Addict
    Rating - 100%
    9   0   0
    Mar 19, 2010
    6,767
    96
    Austin, Texas
    That boggles the mind. I have problems with the whole shopkeepers privilege thing but I was under the impression that it applied ONLY to suspected shoplifting.

    Under what theory did these security guards think they had the authority to ask someone to leave and then hold them, then preventing them from leaving? (Sheesh, even that question doesn't make sense...)
    CCP give arrest authority to anyone in the case of theft, breaches of the peace and felonies.

    Most security guards are meh, but there are a few that must have only passed because their their test got mixed up with someone who actually went to the class.

    Sent from your mom's house using Tapatalk
     

    Vaquero

    Moving stuff to the gas prices thread.....
    Staff member
    Moderator
    Rating - 100%
    11   0   0
    Apr 4, 2011
    44,206
    96
    Dixie Land
    Could be a signal that it may go to conference where the amendments it could possibly get killed off. I’ve been pessimistic on getting this bull through, but I’m cautiously optimistic if we keep the pressure up. I let Phelan and hot wheels know it’s time to git ‘er done today and intend to do so every day until it’s law.
    Like a hotshot crammed up a bull's ass. Keep pressure on that button.
     

    oldag

    TGT Addict
    Rating - 100%
    7   0   0
    Feb 19, 2015
    17,427
    96
    It makes more sense to pass the law now even if it isn’t exactly what you And clean it up
    In the next session After all a bird in the hand is better than two in the bush
    A successful businessman once told me that a bird in the hand was NOT worth two in the bush. It was worth three in the bush.
     
    Top Bottom