Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick says Senate currently lacks the votes to pass permitless carry

[toddnjoyce]

That is called street smarts. It will not show as my smile will blind you to it but I'm watching every move you make, especially your eyes, they will telegraph your intentions, and where your hands are. As for the last statement about interfacing with criminals that depends on where you work. Barney Fife wouldn't know a criminal from a peony. In the major metromesses you deal with it every day. In a normal month I would hazard a guess I saw more than an officer from a under 200 person force would see in 2-5 years. It didn't help any that I spent 75% of my time in a minority section of town. Made a lot of friends and thoroughly enjoyed it. Treated people as I would want to be treated. Worked 75% of the time anyway. Would I do it today, NOPE, NO, Hell NO. Totally different attitude on both sides of the street.

Trust me, I get street smarts after 7 combat deployments to IRQ and AFG. Heightened situational awareness is one thing, but assuming everyone is a threat until proven otherwise is horseshît. Sure, on the inside have a plan to kill everyone you see, but that can’t bleed to the outside.

Maybe it’s confidence bred thru experience, I don’t know.

 

[Dougw1515]

I doesn't mean anything. It proves exactly what? You haven't yet shown what it proves.

IMO, what does it prove? Nothing. Just that person had met what some determine the minimum requirements to be granted the privilege of "legally" carrying a firearm.

Again, what does having a LTC permit prove? If you can't, or won't answer this very simple question, then please move along and stop wasting people's time.

An LTC proves that an individual has, at a minimum, been exposed to the most basic laws, in the state of Texas, concerning self-defense with a firearm. It proves they didn't get out of a mental institution yesterday. It proves they don't have a searchable history of domestic abuse. It proves they have a pretty good idea which end of the gun the bullet come out of. It proves they had the cash to cover the licensing fees! Not saying any of that matters but if you're holding a valid LTC ID you have proven the above is true.

 

[Hoji]

To be fair, the average shooter that takes the effort to get a LTC and practice likely shoots better than the average LEO in the field, as well as has a lesser chance of committing a felony while armed than a LEO.....so he's not wrong.

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Half of this statement is a fact. As an instructor, based solely on observations as such, and one who has taken more than a couple of shooting classes with LE, the other half of this statement is not accurate

 

[Hoji]

Wonder what would happen if “training” were required to vote?

 

[Hoji]

An LTC proves that an individual has, at a minimum, been exposed to the most basic laws concerning self-defense with a firearm. It proves they didn't get out of a mental institution yesterday. It proves they don't have a searchable history of domestic abuse. It proves they have a pretty good idea which end of the gun the bullet come out of. It proves they had the cash to cover the licensing fees! Not saying any of that matters but if you're holding a valid LTC ID you have proven the above is true.

So does passing a NICS check for the most part.
Do you know the laws of every state you have carried in on your Texas LTC other than “state xxx recognizes and honors Texas LTC”
Shall not be infringed.

 

[Dougw1515]

So does passing a NICS check for the most part.
Do you know the laws of every state you have carried in on your Texas LTC other than “state xxx recognizes and honors Texas LTC”
Shall not be infringed.

Edited my post to include "... ,in the State of Texas ..." relative to basic gun laws. And to answer your other question.... Yup, I know the laws of every state I've carried in - ain't been outta Texas since I got healed. :>)

 

[Lost Spurs]

An LTC proves that an individual has, at a minimum, been exposed to the most basic laws, in the state of Texas, concerning self-defense with a firearm. It proves they didn't get out of a mental institution yesterday. It proves they don't have a searchable history of domestic abuse. It proves they have a pretty good idea which end of the gun the bullet come out of. It proves they had the cash to cover the licensing fees! Not saying any of that matters but if you're holding a valid LTC ID you have proven the above is true.

Having possession of an LTC proves nothing of the sort and certainly nothing of yesterday. They are issued for what, 5 years? If I use my LTC to purchase a firearm in lew of calling in a check at a dealer, show the vetting done to validate the status of the LTC.

Does every cop check the status of the LTC when shown, or do they assume nothing has happened since issued?

I can partly agree on your claim to being exposed to basic laws but I deal with people all day long that I give all the needed information to but I can't learn it for them. I am sometimes amazed at people's ability to do dumb shit I have told them not to do.

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[oldag]

An LTC proves that an individual has, at a minimum, been exposed to the most basic laws, in the state of Texas, concerning self-defense with a firearm. It proves they didn't get out of a mental institution yesterday. It proves they don't have a searchable history of domestic abuse. It proves they have a pretty good idea which end of the gun the bullet come out of. It proves they had the cash to cover the licensing fees! Not saying any of that matters but if you're holding a valid LTC ID you have proven the above is true.

You are correct, none of this is germane to the discussion.

Criminals will carry regardless. So constitutional carry will have no effect on criminals carrying. It will facilitate law abiding citizens exercising their constitutional right.

 

[Axxe55]

An LTC proves that an individual has, at a minimum, been exposed to the most basic laws, in the state of Texas, concerning self-defense with a firearm. It proves they didn't get out of a mental institution yesterday. It proves they don't have a searchable history of domestic abuse. It proves they have a pretty good idea which end of the gun the bullet come out of. It proves they had the cash to cover the licensing fees! Not saying any of that matters but if you're holding a valid LTC ID you have proven the above is true.

Edited my post to include "... ,in the State of Texas ..." relative to basic gun laws. And to answer your other question.... Yup, I know the laws of every state I've carried in - ain't been outta Texas since I got healed. :>)

@Hoji beat me to it, but he's exactly correct. A person could argue that a person that legally bought a firearm yesterday, might be better vetted than the guy that got his LTC permit several years ago.

And seriously, because a person has the money to cover the licensing fees? Appears you think money is qualifier of who can "legally" carry and who can't. Hell Doug, lets bring back poll taxes as well if money is a qualifier of who should be allowed to vote.

And all that comes right back to my original question that I asked several others. So exactly what has been proven by having a state issued LTC permit?

I have long held the belief, for many, many years, any state issued carry permit, and having to pay to exercise a right is an infringement of a person's 2nd Amendment rights. When you have to pay to exercise a right, regardless of the amount paid, it is no longer a right, but a privilege someone in authority has granted you.

I know Doug. You believe in the 2nd Amendment, but, you think there should be exceptions. What your post just proved, you Doug, are just another one of the FUDDs.

 

[Rhino]

This goes back to natural law... if I was on an island without any government, would I be justified in having a personal defensive weapon, and would anyone have the right to tell me not to?

 

[Texasgrillchef]

HB1927 has made it out of Senate committee and will be heard Monday May 3rd on the senate floor.

The committee voted 5-2 in favor of the bill. 5 republicans, 2 democrats.

We still have three Senators on the fence.

Sen. Bettencourt, Sen Huffman, & Sen Seliger.

see previous posts of mine for their phone numbers.

We only need two of those 3 to vote for it, to pass.

 

[cygunner]

HB1927 has made it out of Senate committee and will be heard Monday May 3rd on the senate floor.

The committee voted 5-2 in favor of the bill. 5 republicans, 2 democrats.

We still have three Senators on the fence.

Sen. Bettencourt, Sen Huffman, & Sen Seliger.

see previous posts of mine for their phone numbers.

We only need two of those 3 to vote for it, to pass.

Bettencourt is my Senator. I have called him twice. Sure he is getting heat from the CS Harris County and Houston LE brass.
ETA Just called again very brisk but respectful reply "We'll put you down in support of that".

 

[Army 1911]

I just emailed Senator Paxton telling her how I want her to vote.

 

[Lost Spurs]

LTC status comes up with DL info when the DL is run...

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I watched the hearings. The coward from Houston "representing" police said clear as day that seeing somebody with a gun means they have a LTC and that means they have been vetted. This is prior to a Terry stop. "With constitutional carry they will have no idea as to such vetting".

Also, being a upstanding citizen, I have had to hand over my papers to police on several occasions. I will agree that having a LTC appeared to lighten the tension of the moment. I can also say with 110% certainty that the info was never ran across the mainframe. They have, more that once seen my DL and LTC and handed it back and sent me on my way.

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[Hoji]

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[kenboyles72]

HB 1927 has a second reading May 3.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Time could be better spent contacting senators.

This. Keep the pressure up. Tomorrow isn’t the up or down vote, it’s just to get it up for debate in the full Senate.

 

[benenglish]

With so many laws on the books - Federal and State - anyone here could wind up afoul of some stupid law they've never heard of and eat a felony.

Someone should write a book about that.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

HB 1927 has a second reading May 3.

Scheduled, but it can be postponed. SB513 for instance was scheduled, and it took two weeks to finally come up for debate, despite it being scheduled daily for two weeks.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

FYI,

Patrick is actually in support of HB1927.

The reason he said what he said is a political tactic to get us that support the issue to get up ad do something and call our senators. Especially those three Senators that are on the fence.

He can’t publicly announce who those three senators are, but he can get us wondering who they were and to find out and then for us to release who they are. Then take action to let those three know how we feel.