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  • Double Naught Spy

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    Wow. Just...wow. How does the theoretically biggest gun rights proponent in the world manage to look that incompetent with a firearm?

    Because he really isn't a gun person, but a person who profits from the gun industry. It would be like watching the 70 year old investor in a Formula One car race team drive a F-1 car at Monaco. It isn't going to go well.

    An Elephant is such an easy target. Even a raging Elephant is slow by a hunters standards.

    There is the whole macho or bragging rights business about shooting the biggest of animals. In reality, it takes the least skill to shoot the largest animals. This comes up a lot in my area of hunting - hogs. Everyone wants to shoot the big boars. The bigger the boar, the larger the kill zones, the easier to hit. Anybody can kill a large (200-300 lb) or giant boar (>300 lb). Lots of folks can hit them on the run. Hitting a 6 lb piglet that is running scared causes folks to burn a lot more ammo.

    5 of my buddies got together to hunt hogs a couple of weeks ago. They got on a sounder of 20-30 hogs. Because of livestock in the area, they got 1 shot each. Everyone was supposed to pick different hogs. People were supposed to pick a hog in the sounder that corresponded to the position of the shooter in the row. The guy on the far left was to take a hog on the far left. The guy middle left was to take a hog middle left in the group. The guy in the center a hog in the center, etc. After the countdown, 2 hogs were down, and 1 ran off wounded and died in the brush. Everyone claimed, "I got mine!" The hog in the brush had been shot once. The smaller hog that went down immediately had 1 shot in it. The biggest boar in the sounder had 3 shots in it.

    Everybody wants to shoot the big ones.
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    Vaquero

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    I heard labored breathing before and after each shot.
    I don't care if it's a hog, dog, predator or prey.
    Nothing on God's earth deserves the misery that poor elephant suffered through.
    I kinda blame wlp, but one of the paid guides should have stepped up and ended that sooner.

    Scoped rifles ain't no good at that range anyway.
     

    Axxe55

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    I can understand why that video was buried for so many years. It's shameful, embarrassing and deplorable to watch. It is an extremely poor representation of ethical and moral hunters.

    I don't personally hunt anymore, but have not one objection to anyone hunting, but that video, I found very troubling and offensive to hunters.

    @Vaquero said it quite well, and I agree. Every living creature deserves a dignified death if you plan on hunting it. The animal deserves to be respected.
     

    Ruark

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    YOU are making your self look like an idiot. An idiot useful to the communist left.

    That video is 8 years old for one thing.

    Sorry, I had no idea it was 8 years old. Actually, though, it doesn't matter; it's going viral TODAY. Here's another one, just posted yesterday:
     

    Grumps21

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    That poor animal. Suffering while this guy is taking pot shots at it. The guild walks up to the elephant and points to where the shot needs to land, then walks back so yet another distance shot could be taken. I’m not a Hunter, so maybe I don’t see the full picture here, but wouldn’t the humane thing to do be for the guide to shoot it point blank since he was standing right next to the beast?
     

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    That poor animal. Suffering while this guy is taking pot shots at it. The guild walks up to the elephant and points to where the shot needs to land, then walks back so yet another distance shot could be taken. I’m not a Hunter, so maybe I don’t see the full picture here, but wouldn’t the humane thing to do be for the guide to shoot it point blank since he was standing right next to the beast?

    You would think that would be what a good guide would have done. Personally, I think if the guide had any sense of ethics or humanity, he would have taken the rifle away from WL, and beat him damn near to death with it. That's just me though.
     

    Double Naught Spy

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    That poor animal. Suffering while this guy is taking pot shots at it. The guild walks up to the elephant and points to where the shot needs to land, then walks back so yet another distance shot could be taken. I’m not a Hunter, so maybe I don’t see the full picture here, but wouldn’t the humane thing to do be for the guide to shoot it point blank since he was standing right next to the beast?

    That poor animal - sort of. While I agree that no animal should suffer, here in the US it isn't uncommon to be taught that if you shoot and animal and it runs, that you wait X amount of time (e.g., 10, 15, 30 minutes) before pursuing it. That way you give it time to bleed out and so that you don't chase it farther into the woods. So basically, you are letting the animal suffer until it expires. This is considered an appropriate practice.



    You never hear about ethically minded hunters running into the woods after a wounded animal so that they can put it down as quickly and as humanely as possible. Of course, there are reasons not to go after it, but this is at the expense of the animal potentially suffering. Heck, you will have hunters that will shoot a deer, see it drop, and then see that the deer is still alive and refuse to shoot the deer again on the grounds that they don't want to ruin any more meat, and will sit and wait for the deer to eventually die.

    So when you are complaining about the guide not finishing it off right away, there is a mindset in the hunting community about not getting in a hurry to finish off animals for various reasons.

    You would think that would be what a good guide would have done. Personally, I think if the guide had any sense of ethics or humanity, he would have taken the rifle away from WL, and beat him damn near to death with it. That's just me though.

    Nope. Such guided hunts are high dollar affairs. Folks like WLP are treated as clients who are paying big money for the hunts. It is the client's elephant to kill, unless the client is unable to do the task. The client was, just not very quickly or efficiently.

    I am not actually arguing against you guys. I thought the whole process was crap. I think the guide should have had WLP finish the animal, but had him walk up to it and literally place the muzzle where the shot needed to go.
     

    Grumps21

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    Ya I get it, but from what I saw the elephant was already down. I just think that if it was safe for the guide to approach then the animal should have just been put down on the spot. Yes the meat was likely donated to the locals, and I get that people have to eat, but I just don’t think in this case the animal should have suffered. That’s the soft side of me I guess.
     

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    Ya I get it, but from what I saw the elephant was already down. I just think that if it was safe for the guide to approach then the animal should have just been put down on the spot. Yes the meat was likely donated to the locals, and I get that people have to eat, but I just don’t think in this case the animal should have suffered. That’s the soft side of me I guess.

    Don't feel all alone Grumps. When it comes to animals, I have a really soft side as well. I don't like to see any animal suffer.
     

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    I didn't read all the comments BUT I did hear the guide tell him the wrong thing. It sounded like he said, "shoot low." At that close of a range that is wrong. The bullet hasn't made it up to the sight line yet. He may have meant get low to get the angle, but when I heard it I thought he was saying to aim low.
    As far as shooting elephants, I have no desire. There are nuisance elephants that need to be put down and the money brought in can't be a bad thing. Better than poaching it.
     

    RoadRunner

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    That's because the video was hidden.
    It was so appalling they tried to bury it.
    Somehow it found the light of day.
    Remember this was filmed before all the NRA crap broke out.
    WLP is damned life time politician. He was a lobbyist before he headed up the NRA. He is as Swamp as it gets. All he cares about is keeping the money trough full so he and his confederates can gorge themselves as much as their wallets can allow. They never really wanted to get pro-2A laws passed.
    That would mean the end of the river of money.
    FWLP.
    p.s. I hope that elephants ghost haunts that asswipe for all eternity.

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    Wolfwood

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    It is a leftist position to tell others what they can or cannot do when the action harms no one and actually truly benefits people, the animals and the rest of the environment.

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    you are just catching on or..?

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    Double Naught Spy

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    My take from a slightly different angle: The ONLY job Wayne has had in recent decades has been EVP of NRA. The very fact that he could afford to take a hunt like this tells me that he has been paid way too much !
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    He didn't pay for it. The NRA did. It was for an NRA media program.

    However, I will tell you like the diehards told me 20 odd years ago. "It is a small price to pay for freedom..." which seemed to be their way of justifying the fiscal irresponsibility of the NRA. I was mad at the time because the NRA kept sending me gifts (silver bullets, carry bag, multiple copies of "Tales of the Gun" first on VHS and then CD) to try to get me to renew my 5 year membership that was less than 2 years old. Between that and the endless number of mailings (2-4 times a week), I figured my membership money was nothing more than me having purchased the expenses for them trying to endlessly solicit me and send me crap I didn't want.

    Yes, I called and emailed them about stopping the process. That didn't help. Things slowed after I didn't renew my membership, but it took a couple of years before it pretty well stopped.
     
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