So how bad is it going to get?

[oldag]

The real danger is the "Death by a 1000 Cuts": Putting a tax or other restrictions on ammo will put dealers out of business. They've already screwed them over by letting financing companies deny credit to firearms dealers. They can squeeze the market dry within 5 or 10 years without having to pass an actual "ban" and they can avoid the political backlash.

That is certainly a threat.

But with complete control in DC, I fear they may swing for the fences.

 

[oldag]

Interesting article....moderate Democrats might thwart JOHO's plans more than the Vichy Republicans.....

Zerohedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

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I am not convinced that such a thing as a "moderate democrat" still exists.

 

[Renegade]

There are a couple of problems here. The GOP doesn't have the will to do this. They'd rather just pretend to play defenders of the 2A when they're a minority party. Other than a few vocal examples in Congress, most of the Republicans don't seem to really care enough about guns to make them a policy issue they want to advance. They want to do the needful to get their NRA ratings and that's about it.

We keep getting lied to, and we keep electing the same people who lie to us.

Trump is a perfect example. Every speech for 5 years he says he is greatest supporter of 2A. Yet he did nothing for 2A. He actually hurt 2a by banning bump stocks, and letting BATFE go after gun owners with brace bans, raids on Poly80, etc.

I have never seen such a block of voters so stuck on stupid in my life.

And the NRA is no better. They are playing the same game.

 

[candcallen]

You still think voting matters. That’s cute.

sigh

 

[Hoji]

sigh

Why the “sigh” ? Do you honestly believe that PedoJoe got more black votes in Detroit than Obama?
Do you truly believe that PedoJoe overall got more than 11 million votes than Obama did in 2008?

 

[Renegade]

You still think voting matters. That’s cute.

Bernie Bro's thought voting mattered too. Fooled them not once, but twice, probably could fool them a third time.

I voted R's for State legislature. Thought they won, but Dems will still be running key committees and shutting down bills most important to me.

Vote all you want, the Deep state determines who runs things, not the voters.

I am done with Rs. Going virtual John Galt.

 

[candcallen]

Why the “sigh” ? Do you honestly believe that PedoJoe got more black votes in Detroit than Obama?
Do you truly believe that PedoJoe overall got more than 11 million votes than Obama did in 2008?

Sigh because folks are forgetting to read in context of the subject and the totality of the comments.


No and that's not what I said at all. Let's break down my posts here. None had anything to do with the pres election

I talked about the fact the majorities are razor thin.

All politics are local. Meaning that senators and congressmen answer back to home and several of those will be up for reelection in places where they will lose if they vote for certain things.

I made no predictions on what would happen except to say we will see if they are suicidal.

Someone asks an opinion I will give I it and reserve the right not to add the outrage group think secret code words proving I'm a member of the club.

I'm getting pretty tired of folks making assumptions based on the words not added to my comments.

For the record, I've posted elsewhere, there is no way in hell Joe got that many votes. I also posted those idiits at the Capitol, the ones who breached, acted st the wrong place and time. Too late to do anything or stop anything. The place and time was in their/the states when the rules were changed unconstitutionally and when they started phucking with the voting or demanding those machines not be used.

I also posted there is little chance of there being enough political or legal will to change the results of a national election and have a redo via the courts. No time either. That seemed always a bridge too far to me.

All politics are local. It all starts there and Constitutionally meant to be there.

If that's not enough for the patriot shamers and conspiracy nut basement dwellers, I know where playground sand is cheap. I'm sorry.

 

[Hoji]

Sigh because folks are forgetting to read in context of the subject and the totality of the comments.


No and that's not what I said at all. Let's break down my posts here. None had anything to do with the pres election

I talked about the fact the majorities are razor thin.

All politics are local. Meaning that senators and congressmen answer back to home and several of those will be up for reelection in places where they will lose if they vote for certain things.

I made no predictions on what would happen except to say we will see if they are suicidal.

Someone asks an opinion I will give I it and reserve the right not to add the outrage group think secret code words proving I'm a member of the club.

I'm getting pretty tired of folks making assumptions based on the words not added to my comments.

For the record, I've posted elsewhere, there is no way in hell Joe got that many votes. I also posted those idiits at the Capitol, the ones who breached, acted st the wrong place and time. Too late to do anything or stop anything. The place and time was in their/the states when the rules were changed unconstitutionally and when they started phucking with the voting or demanding those machines not be used.

I also posted there is little chance of there being enough political or legal will to change the results of a national election and have a redo via the courts. No time either. That seemed always a bridge too far to me.

All politics are local. It all starts there and Constitutionally meant to be there.

If that's not enough for the patriot shamers and conspiracy nut basement dwellers, I know where playground sand is cheap. I'm sorry.

Well worded reply. I don’t follow everything you post, so yes, out of context your “sigh” to my snarky response would ( and did) lead me to my follow up post.

I am not sure voting at the local/state level really counts anymore either( see leftist, cocaine addicted democrats picked by Republican speaker to chair committee that hears gun bills)

I will keep voting, but really don’t believe it matters after the 2020 election travesty

 

[candcallen]

Well worded reply. I don’t follow everything you post, so yes, out of context your “sigh” to my snarky response would ( and did) lead me to my follow up post.

I am not sure voting at the local/state level really counts anymore either( see leftist, cocaine addicted democrats picked by Republican speaker to chair committee that hears gun bills)

I will keep voting, but really don’t believe it matters after the 2020 election travesty

Snark doesn't really bother me. Well especially me cause I'm a snarky bastard. It's the totality of the assumptions many are making about folks around here. But not everyone reads everything


I worry about elections in certain places especially nationally, i.e. president, because of what happened but I'm hopeful that at a local level where these rules and machines arent in place they still matter. And that there will be changes.

That said, we only have peaceful transfers of power cause people have faith in elections. Without that, well none of us should be wanting that but it may be forced upon us.

 

[BillFairbanks]

I think it’s going to get this bad

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[Sam7sf]

I think it’s going to get this bad

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Yup. A house full of primers without a bg check.

 

[kbaxter60]

I am not convinced that such a thing as a "moderate democrat" still exists.

No, they are about as plentiful as "conservative Republicans", unicorns, and chupacabras.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Since I don’t have a better idea where to put this, this thread is probably appropriate.

Based on census data, there’s likely10 seats moving between states in 2021 and that’s going to influence, to a degree, what the US House does this year and next because most all the losses are going to occur in states that are more liberal and most of the gains are going to happen in states that are more conservative.

I cam guarantee if TX goes +3, as projected, that those new seats will be in new districts that will result in more conservative candidates...neither King Abbot nor the lege wants to do anything to jeopardize the R party chances at a 2022 R majority in Congress.

 

[oldag]

I cam guarantee if TX goes +3, as projected, that those new seats will be in new districts that will result in more conservative candidates...neither King Abbot nor the lege wants to do anything to jeopardize the R party chances at a 2022 R majority in Congress.

Haven't had time to study this. Wouldn't the new districts go where the growth is? And since much of our growth has come from liberals moving in, this may not be a good thing.

 

[Renegade]

Since I don’t have a better idea where to put this, this thread is probably appropriate.

Based on census data, there’s likely10 seats moving between states in 2021 and that’s going to influence, to a degree, what the US House does this year and next because most all the losses are going to occur in states that are more liberal and most of the gains are going to happen in states that are more conservative.

I cam guarantee if TX goes +3, as projected, that those new seats will be in new districts that will result in more conservative candidates...neither King Abbot nor the lege wants to do anything to jeopardize the R party chances at a 2022 R majority in Congress.

No such guarantee can be made. Gerrymandering is over. Republicans 2010 maps were rejected. Courts oversee redistricting with an eye towards minority representation.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Haven't had time to study this. Wouldn't the new districts go where the growth is? And since much of our growth has come from liberals moving in, this may not be a good thing.

Each state gets to drawn their own redistricting map. The more gerrymandered they are, the more likely the opposing party will challenge in court, with the hopes the court will decide to order the lege to do a better job drawing the map.

The districts just need to be equal in population. Here’s an example from the 2010 maps across the US

 

[RedArmy]

I'm going with civil disobedience as an answer to their gun control. I will not comply. If they really want our guns then they'll have to make us all criminals. Those of us who will actually fight this attack that is. Just like the dims ignored border control and allowing illegal immigration, I'll be ignoring any gun laws they come up with.

 

[seeker_two]

The 2022 Elections will be interesting. What's going to happen when the Dems start taping over windows and bringing in boxes in the dead of night then? Things might get Athens, TN interesting then.....

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[candcallen]

No such guarantee can be made. Gerrymandering is over. Republicans 2010 maps were rejected. Courts oversee redistricting with an eye towards minority representation.

Umm IIRC didnt the supreme court rule redistricting was the purview of the state and courts needed to stay out. I may be wrong on the minutiae details.

In a 5-4 decision along traditional conservative-liberal ideological lines, the Supreme Court ruled that partisan redistricting is a political question — not reviewable by federal courts — and that those courts can't judge if extreme gerrymandering violates the Constitution

Ofcourse this will cut both ways and probably not done yet.

 

[oldag]

Each state gets to drawn their own redistricting map. The more gerrymandered they are, the more likely the opposing party will challenge in court, with the hopes the court will decide to order the lege to do a better job drawing the map.

The districts just need to be equal in population. Here’s an example from the 2010 maps across the US

I am aware of the process of drawing up the boundaries. But I still have doubts even the most creative gerrymandering can overcome the sheer numbers.