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    The Fuckery has begun.........




    Unaccountable ATF Heads Colluding With Biden Transition Team to Ban Pistol Braces




    Braces and 80% lowers will be first on hit list it appears.........
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    The Fuckery has begun.........




    Unaccountable ATF Heads Colluding With Biden Transition Team to Ban Pistol Braces




    Braces and 80% lowers will be first on hit list it appears.........
    They can go to hell, I will help them get there.

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    Never quite understood why anyone ever wanted to work as an ATF agent unless they were into violating the Constitution or just fucking over people and ruining their liberties (or needed a job and just did not give a damn what it was doing). I worked as a federal agent for 32 years and I think chose my jobs wisely, starting off in the Border Patrol and then going over to Customs ten finally to HSI/DHS (but that through no real desire of my own after 9/11). The the overwhelming great majority of cases I worked, while a Special Agent (criminal investigator), for 28 years or so, were investigations of the smuggling of: drugs, money laundering, terrorism, smuggling of strategic technology, and human trafficking. Thus, my work, as I had hoped & planned, helped to protect the integrity of our borders and our citizens and involved the arrests mainly of foreign nationals and very few U.S. citizens. As for the foreigners, their first acts in the USA were, much more often than not, felonies and misdemeanors - so screw em was my philosophy.

    ATF though, that's a completely different story where the majority of their arrests, I believe, are of U.S. Citizens and the investigations they run, are for the most part (in my long held estimation), a violation of our Constitution. They do lots of good on cases involving bombings and firearms involved murders (with local agencies) but in my opinion, they also willingly do investigations that violate a key clause and key words in the 2nd Amendment - the words being "...shall not be infringed". There will be droves of them moving to suck Biden's arse and crack down on gun owners should he actually get in in January and they will do so gleefully; never quite understood why any citizen takes a job that is set up to outright destroy another citizen's rights.
     
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    Add the FBI (maybe should be renamed Federal Investigation Bureau?) to that list.

    One could almost think that! The upper echelon seems to have spent more time investigating Trump and his people, than actually investigating some real crime.

    Trump should never have just stopped with firing Comey!
     

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    Trump is not a politican (well he was not in 2016 when elected). He was unfamiliar with ATF and their anti-RKBA shenanigans and thus look at what happened with bump stocks. As far as firing ATF higher ups, what would it matter now if Trump winds up being out? If, on the other hand, he retains the presidency - then go for it with a vehemence and make America and our rights even greater again.
     

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    ATF though, that's a completely different story where the majority of their arrests, I believe, are of U.S. Citizens and the investigations they run, are for the most part (in my long held estimation), a violation of our Constitution. They do lots of good on cases involving bombings and firearms involved murders (with local agencies) but in my opinion, they also willingly do investigations that violate a key clause and key words in the 2nd Amendment - the words being "...shall not be infringed". There will be droves of them moving to suck Biden's arse and crack down on gun owners should he actually get in in January and they will do so gleefully; never quite understood why any citizen takes a job that is set up to outright destroy another citizen's rights.

    Agreed


    Here’s my concern with the ATF, and the EPA for that matter.

    They are executive agencies. They enforce laws.

    It is the responsibility of the legislative branch to create laws, and the judicial branch to interpret them. The executive branch is to enforce laws.


    Since the Clinton administration, this has gone farther and farther off the rails.

    Why in the hell are these agencies being allowed by the other branches to run amok?

    Checks and balances.





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    Mike_from_Texas

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    Agreed


    Here’s my concern with the ATF, and the EPA for that matter.

    They are executive agencies. They enforce laws.

    It is the responsibility of the legislative branch to create laws, and the judicial branch to interpret them. The executive branch is to enforce laws.


    Since the Clinton administration, this has gone farther and farther off the rails.

    Why in the hell are these agencies being allowed by the other branches to run amok?

    Checks and balances.





    I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately...

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    Absolutely agree Jason.


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    Some of the ATF's problems are lack of defined standards that are applied to the laws. Too many interpretations by too many people, that lead to arrests, that the only recourse of the accused is to fight it out in court, or take a lesser plead deal. That is unacceptable.

    Seems so simple to me. You have a law, apply standards to enforce that law, and everyone enforces those standards. If a suspected person's gun meets those standards, leave them alone. If they violate the standards prescribed by the law, then you arrest them and prosecute them.
     

    Sam7sf

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    Screw any pos that supports a mandatory buyback.

    Say a guy saved up and only could afford one gun. Couldn’t buy another for a good while. Said Individual decides to buy a scary ar15. Mandatory buyback...You just violated his second amendment with a no brainer of an example.

    Democrats are retarded.
     
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