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  • Kong Sheng Han

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    Yeah..I added Classic to my blacklist. Sorry to hear about your issues. There’s way too much poor feedback on the milsurp rifles they sell. I was able to find my M91/30 in good condition, for a very good price, on Texas Gun Trader about a month ago. Still hunting for a decent Mauser (probably an M24/47 or M48) and an Enfield. Too scared to buy from Royal Tiger Imports, so I’ll probably wait for a well-priced rifle to pop up for sale locally.
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    G O B

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    My point was that there is no magic rifle. The magic is in the skill of the shooter. Most WWII rifles are GOOD rifles, but they are combat weapons, and rugged durability was more important than MOA accuracy.
     

    zackmars

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    My point was that there is no magic rifle. The magic is in the skill of the shooter. Most WWII rifles are GOOD rifles, but they are combat weapons, and rugged durability was more important than MOA accuracy.

    Mauser wins here again, superior bolt design, controlled feed, better magazine design.

    The mosin has a really cool history, but, excepting finn versions, the mosin is what it was meant to be, a cheap arm to hand out to peasants en masse. And now, outside of filling a missing hole in a collection, it's a tough sell to go with a clapped out 91/30 vs a Lee Enfield or Mauser for just a few bucks more to get a nice example
     

    Brains

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    Mauser wins here again, superior bolt design, controlled feed, better magazine design.

    The mosin has a really cool history, but, excepting finn versions, the mosin is what it was meant to be, a cheap arm to hand out to peasants en masse. And now, outside of filling a missing hole in a collection, it's a tough sell to go with a clapped out 91/30 vs a Lee Enfield or Mauser for just a few bucks more to get a nice example
    It's brutish simplicity, rough machining, applicability for alternate tasks (hammer, boat oar, manual pit rotisserie, etc.) are what make the 1891/30 a fun gun for me. It's the kind of gun you can expect very little from and just have fun shooting - and it gives you something convenient to blame when you can't hit the broad side of the barn ;)
     

    motorcarman

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    I bought these when 880 rounds (2 spam cans in a wood crate) were $160 shipped.
    So much fun for so little money.
    The FMJ 7.62x54R milsurp would pass through trees.
    My buddy shot through a manhole cover and busted 2 front brake rotors all stacked together with a single shot.

    I still have 5 wood crates left stacked under my work bench.

    I'm guessing they would take out an engine block without too much trouble.
     

    zackmars

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    It's brutish simplicity, rough machining, applicability for alternate tasks (hammer, boat oar, manual pit rotisserie, etc.) are what make the 1891/30 a fun gun for me. It's the kind of gun you can expect very little from and just have fun shooting - and it gives you something convenient to blame when you can't hit the broad side of the barn ;)

    I always see people call the mosin simple, but dont let the drunken slave labor construction fool you, each part is just as, if not more so, complicated than the equivalent part of a mauser
     

    Kong Sheng Han

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    I bought these when 880 rounds (2 spam cans in a wood crate) were $160 shipped.
    So much fun for so little money.
    The FMJ 7.62x54R milsurp would pass through trees.
    My buddy shot through a manhole cover and busted 2 front brake rotors all stacked together with a single shot.

    I still have 5 wood crates left stacked under my work bench.

    I'm guessing they would take out an engine block without too much trouble.

    So you’re telling me you have five crates/10 spam cans/4,400 rounds of surplus food? Please share a can with me lol.
     

    Charley

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    Mauser wins here again, superior bolt design, controlled feed, better magazine design.

    If comparing the 1898 Mauser, almost a generation of technical development between them. Compare the 1891 Mauser to the 1891 Mosin, and pretty much equal, different strengths and weaknesses, but not that far apart.

    As for accuracy, depends on the rifle and the ammunition used. My 91/30 (Izhevsk) sniper conversion runs between 1.25 and 1.5 MOA with my handloads. Soviet/Soviet block/milsurp factory ammunition is more towards 3 to 4 MOA.
     

    zackmars

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    If comparing the 1898 Mauser, almost a generation of technical development between them. Compare the 1891 Mauser to the 1891 Mosin, and pretty much equal, different strengths and weaknesses, but not that far apart.

    As for accuracy, depends on the rifle and the ammunition used. My 91/30 (Izhevsk) sniper conversion runs between 1.25 and 1.5 MOA with my handloads. Soviet/Soviet block/milsurp factory ammunition is more towards 3 to 4 MOA.

    Thats the point, the mosin never evolved, save for sights and barrel length.

    The Lee evolved, the Mauser evolved. Improvements got worked into the design. Even after lessons learned in the Russo-Japanese war the mosin wasn't improved
     
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    Brains

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    I'm not up on my history, but didn't the Soviets abandon the platform once they saw the promise of Kalashnikov's autoloading action?
     

    Ozzman

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    I'm not up on my history, but didn't the Soviets abandon the platform once they saw the promise of Kalashnikov's autoloading action?
    They did. But so did their tactics; no more dig in and go for the long shot. I saw a documentary on this. I think it is called Top 10 Battle Rifles. Pretty much the AK allowed the Russian infantry to run-and-gun their foe with 100's of comrades in front and behind you.
     

    majormadmax

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    I'm not up on my history, but didn't the Soviets abandon the platform once they saw the promise of Kalashnikov's autoloading action?

    You're probably thinking about the Simonov (SKS) rifle. The Mosin was already nearly 50 years old when the Kalashnikov was accepted and even the Soviets knew its time had come...

    That said, you can still find Mosins used in conflict zones today!
     

    Maverick44

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    That said, you can still find Mosins used in conflict zones today!

    You most certainly can, but let's be honest. That's because they were made by the millions and got around, not because they were a particularly good rifle. Especial for modern combat. I don't think anyone is using them by choice, and I'd bet money that they'd dump them the second they found any autoloader.
     
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    zackmars

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    the Ak was adopted alongside a new strategy, highly mobile armored troops armed with light, automatic weapons, with the Mosin, and later SVD fulfilling SDM roles.

    the USSR had employed a similar doctrine in WW2, by 1943 entire companies were armed with smg's

    why make a mos

    They did. But so did their tactics; no more dig in and go for the long shot. I saw a documentary on this. I think it is called Top 10 Battle Rifles. Pretty much the AK allowed the Russian infantry to run-and-gun their foe with 100's of comrades in front and behind you.

    It wasn't the AK that first allowed that, the Russians as early as 1943 had entire companies equipped with nothing but SMG's

    When you don't care about causality rates, theres no reason to spend the money on a 91/30, when you could get 2 ppsh 41's or 3 ppsh 43's
     

    CodyK

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    I decided it shot well enough that I would just put a little elbow grease (and a few dollars to replace a couple parts) and get it looking better. Completely stripped off the old finish and re-stained it. Tried to topcoat it with some tung oil, but the wood just wasn’t soaking it in, so I’ll probably just put a coat of shellac back on it. Replaced the barrel bands, butt plate, and cocking piece, all have same arsenal stamps as the rifle, and got a bayonet for it. Sanded and re-blued rear sight, front sight, muzzle end of the barrel, and cleaning rod. It actually looks really good so far. May take it out this weekend and see how she shoots at 100 yards.


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    Coyote9

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    Mausers are nice, but when the best sniper with one went against the best Mosin sniper, the Mosin won.
    For the price they are unbeatable.
    True that! However I believe that the rifleman , not the rifle scores the kill. I agree that the 7.62x54 has better ballistics than a 8x57 for sniping.
     
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