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  • G O B

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    It’s not as terrible a shooter as I thought it was gonna be. Took it to the indoor range and gave it a go. This is the first 5 shots from 25 yards, standing and shooting from the shoulder, with mil-surp steel case. The flyer was the first shot, which I took aim, then held it out away from my body and got my head out from behind the gun just in case! When it fired ok, I took the other 4 normally. I went in just hoping I could keep the shots within 5”-6”. May try to get to the outdoor range this week, where I can shoot from a rest, and have a lot better aim with that long heavy beast of a rifle!
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    Not bad. these were sighted with the bayonet ON. They shoot high left without one. Need a taller front sight,and drift it a bit.
    The bore may be better than you think, as the arsenals used to back bore the muzzle when they came back for repair.
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    308nato

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    I have 2 mosins a M 44 and a 91/30 that I bought from stores that I could
    see them and go over them before I bought them.
    Both are in very good shape.
    Bought one from Gander in Spring and one from 10 Ring off Jones road.
    I don't ever buy used guns on the internet.
     

    Coyote9

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    I used to collect Soviet weapons, had several Mosins and a Finnish Sako one, all were good shooters but I handloaded target loads and avoided surplus and Chinese/Russian ammo. My k-98 rifles will shoot everything safely. Great rifles for their time, which in my opinion has past.
     

    majormadmax

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    Great rifles for their time, which in my opinion has past.

    I hang on to mine for two reasons. First is the historical aspects. Second is if a zombie apocalypse or full boogaloo happens, I may sell them and some ammo (50 rounds or so) to my neighbors if they aren't prepared and are willing to meet my prices.

    And yes, if that is the situation, I do plan to sell them at a premium!
     

    motorcarman

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    I hang on to mine for two reasons. First is the historical aspects. Second is if a zombie apocalypse or full boogaloo happens, I may sell them and some ammo (50 rounds or so) to my neighbors if they aren't prepared and are willing to meet my prices.

    And yes, if that is the situation, I do plan to sell them at a premium!
    I would likely do thesame but money would not work for me. I would trade for things I need. (food, fuel etc.)
     

    motorcarman

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    I bought 2 crates from Classic 'back-in-the-day' so the most I had was about 45 or so.
    Sold most of them to get the ones I wanted.

    I also bought some from Military Gun Supply in Fort Worth when the were $89.95 each

    I still have people calling me occasionally to ask if I still have any for sale.
     

    BeatTheTunaUp

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    Sorry to hear about your luck. Give Classic a call. When I bought one of the early Gallant rifles, I got one with a canted barrel/reciever, but they took care of me and sent me a straight rifle with s/n 00017. Thought that was cool of them. I got really lucky with mine I got of gb. Got a 1931 hex reciever from a guy that had over 30 of them and had sold them off over the years because of health reasons. I bought his last one he kept because it was the nicest and best shooter of the bunch. I made sure he knew it was going to a good home. 100yd 5 shot group.
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    zackmars

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    My mosins place in SHTF is to get loaned out to neighbors who will serve as cannon fodder.

    They get 5 rounds each, but will have to barney fife it.
     

    G O B

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    Mausers are nice, but when the best sniper with one went against the best Mosin sniper, the Mosin won.
    For the price they are unbeatable.
     

    zackmars

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    Mausers are nice, but when the best sniper with one went against the best Mosin sniper, the Mosin won.
    For the price they are unbeatable.


    Maybe 3 years ago, but mosins are going for Enfield and mauser prices

    Also, your sniper claim is ridiculous
     

    motorcarman

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    zackmars

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    Vasily Grigoryevich Zaytsev (Soviet Sniper during WWII)
    He was a real person.


    He even wrote a book (mostly unreadable).

    eBay has new copies.

    Zaitsev's kill records, as with all Russian sniper numbers, are hard to belive because the Russians lied about EVERYTHING.

    No one is saying that Zaitsev wasn't real, or that he didn't kill a buch of Germans, but if you think the USSR was for one second honest about his record, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you

    And to cap it all off, the idea that a high kill record means the superior rifle is pure nonsense.

    Sorry, but even a tiny amount of objective thought blows your argument out of the water
     

    Maverick44

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    Some guy's just love old war relic firearms. You couldn't give me a truck load of them,especially a Mosin.
    I do get it though,Most guy's are real cheap when it comes to buying and shooting firearms. I'll stick with shooting high quality,well built modern rifles with nice optics mounted on top of them.

    Cheap probably isn't the right word for them anymore. They have tripled in price, and a lot of other surplus guns are going up too. Really, if you don't have a genuine interest in their history, there is no point in getting one anymore. You can get a T/C Compass or other budget rifle for around the same price, and those will out shoot a surplus gun easily. My Compass is sub MOA. Unless you are extraordinarily lucky, a Mauser, Mosin, or whatever isn't going to do that. I collect and shoot them because they're interesting. I damn sure don't shoot them because they're high quality tack drivers.

    Mausers are nice, but when the best sniper with one went against the best Mosin sniper, the Mosin won.
    For the price they are unbeatable.

    Maybe 3 years ago, but mosins are going for Enfield and mauser prices

    Also, your sniper claim is ridiculous

    The best German sniper was Matthäus Hetzenauer who had 345 confirmed kills. He died in 2004 at the age of 79.

    The best Soviet sniper was Vasily Grigoryevich Zaytsev who had 225 confirmed kills, 11 of whom were snipers. He died in 1991 at the age of 76.

    To my knowledge, they never fought against each other.

    If you are referencing the movie "Enemy at the Gates", then the sniper that Vasily Zaystev faced off against was Erwin König, the head of a German sniper school. That movie was mostly fiction. Zaystev claimed that this "duel" happened, but there is no historical documents or other evidence to prove that it did. In fact, it cannot even be proven that Erwin König ever existed. There is no record of him ever heading any sniper school, and despite his alleged (by the Soviets) kill count of over 400, there is no Germen records of this. It was likely Soviet propaganda.

    Now, an interesting thing about the rifles used back then is that they are not as good as most people think they are. Not even the snipers. The BEST sniper rifle in 1945 would be considered bottom tier by today's standards. A $300 budget rifle with a cheap Chinese scope is going to outshoot them every day of the week easily. That's just how it is. Our ability to make high quality, precise firearms has vastly improved in the last 80 or so years.

    During WWII, the standard of accuracy most countries used was around 4-5 MOA for a run of the mill rifle. The snipers were better, sometimes. The British required that their sniper rifles be capable of putting 7 rounds in a 5" group at 200 yards. That's 2.5 MOA. They would pick out the best shooting rifles out of all of the regulars ones being made, test them to see if they passed their accuracy standard, and would make them into No. 4 Ts. From what I understand, the Soviets did something very similar.

    The Germans didn't do that. They required that 50% of all shots hit within a 20cm (7.9") circle at 300m (328 yards). 94% of shots were to hit within a 40cm (15.75") circle at that distance. So that's a bit over 5 MOA. That's for a run of the mill rifle. Surely they would pick out the best one for their snipers right? Nope. They just picked random rifles as they were made and used those as sniper rifles. So their sniper rifle was on average capable of about 5 MOA.

    German snipers were pretty unhappy with their rifles. Believe it or not, they were actually a bit jealous of the Soviets with their PU snipers, which were pretty darn good sniper rifles for the time. It was enough of an issue that post D-Day, they sent a letter to Mauser requesting that they make better rifle for sniper use. One that would be capable of 60-70mm (2.4-2.75") groups at 100m (109 yards). That's pretty well in line with the No. 4 Ts and their requirement of 2.5 MOA accuracy. They wanted a better rifle bad enough that they only required that the gun be a repeater. They even specified that Mauser could do what they want and could change the caliber if needed. That is how bad they needed a better sniper rifle. They were willing to change to a non-standardized caliber, in the middle of a massive two front war, that they were currently losing.

    So in that regard, yes. The PU Mosin sniper was a better rifle than the Mauser 98K with a ZF41 scope. If I was the average soldier using an average rifle though, I would still pick the Mauser. It's just the better design overall.

    I hope you're still awake. There's going to be a quiz on this later. :p
     
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