Poacher gets big fine.

[TX OMFS]

If he had murdered a person would you be saying the same thing?

No, of course I wouldn't say that. But he killed an animal.

 

[TX OMFS]

He killed that deer just for the rack and that's why the law differentiates on the rack size.

If he took it to feed his family it would be a slap on the wrist.

Also, I have to ask because I do not hunt much. How long before the meat is wasted by not field dressing it right away in what I assume is colder weather? To word it differently, how long did these assholes sit around with an illegal dead deer?

Common sense would say you get your deer and get the hell out of there.

I wonder about that too. I have waited at least 2 hours, probably 3. Even if it was gut shot and you were worried about the loins there is still a lot of other meat that could be taken. In fact, when I was hunting more often I got to where I didn't gut them. Took them to camp, hung them, skinned them, quartered them, reached behind the guts for the loins, and took backstraps. No need to gut them at all.

 

[mongoose]

No, of course I wouldn't say that. But he killed an animal.

So you don’t mind rules but you want to make the rules.

 

[TX OMFS]

So you don’t mind rules but you want to make the rules.

So animals and people are the same?

 

[mongoose]

So animals and people are the same?

Answer the question.

 

[Hoji]

Answer the question.

Your question is comparing asteroids to hemorrhoids.

He is simply saying , barring any other criminal history that would show recidivism , that killing a fucking deer out of season( for whatever reason) should not strip you of your rights as a citizen. Especially over an arbitrary number of inches of antler growth.

 

[oldag]

Your question is comparing asteroids to hemorrhoids.

He is simply saying , barring any other criminal history that would show recidivism , that killing a fucking deer out of season( for whatever reason) should not strip you of your rights as a citizen. Especially over an arbitrary number of inches of antler growth.

Robin and his merry band agree.

 

[Axxe55]

Every state has laws regarding poaching. Game limits and restrictions are based, (supposedly) on the game species conservation. Ethical and responsible hunters spend a small fortune every year to support conservation of healthy game. Poachers are thieves. Simple fact. They are stealing our natural resources.

Are there circumstances that could be factors in deciding the fine or punishment exacted for poaching? IMO, yes there are. And also IMO, there is a big difference between poaching, and making an honest mistake and shooting the wrong animal, due to size of the rack or other variables. Also, a person poaching, to feed their family, is still poaching. Besides, IMO those poaching to feed their families, I doubt a big underlying cause for poaching in current times in most places I would think. And if that were the real reason for poaching, I suspect it would end up being just a fine for the offense. But poaching is still a legal definition of a criminal act.

Wasting the meat, would also be an enhanced charge. I know our local game wardens use it. Then there is intent. Out of season and no hunting license. Yes, intent to illegally harvest a deer.

 

[jrbfishn]

If someone is hunting to feed a family, I can understand. I have been to that point in my younger years. And I knew full well what would happen if I got caught too.
Most poachers are thieves. Real simple. And a lot of them are also breaking other laws as well. I have no sympathy for this guy. None.
That being said and knowing what I do about antler restrictions in Texas and other places, unless Utah is charging big $$ for a tag to take that size, or they can show he is a repeat offender like most poachers, I am torn on the felony charge.
The article says they caught him with the kill at night. Sounds like shortly after he killed it. Even though August is still a warm month, it cools quicker at night. More than likely, the meat would have been good until well after daylight. Even with a gut shot, the vast majority would be. Meat that fresh doesn't spoil that fast. I do know folks that won't eat game not gutted immediately though.
All that said. The people in the State, even Texas, pay big money to make sure the game animals are there to enjoy and hunt. Poachers are stealing from all of us. No different than burglary, shoplifting, breaking into an ATM or any other theft.
I still have no sympathy for him.



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[BMF500]

All you folks who are lamenting the “waste of an animal” who support commercial pork and beef production are serious hypocrites.

Do you know how many hundreds of hogs and cows are killed and wasted every day? And I’m not talking about the ones that are eaten, I’m talking about the ones that are just wasted.

A helluva lot. But one deer matters so much to you?

Give me a break!

Not at any packing house I've ever been to. Where are you going?

 

[Axxe55]

Every slaughter house, or processing plant that I know of, if it wasn't fit for human consumption, they either made dog food or fertilizer out of it. Horns, hooves, blood and hides were used for something useful. Very little waste.

 

[HKShooter65]

Odd that anyone would object to the guy being punished.
Had he shot a doe to feed his destitute and starving family I might pity him and hope for leniency. He was trophy poaching pure and simple and damn well knew it!

Speeding in a school zone, poaching a deer at night, vandalizing mailboxes, breaking a truck window to steal a gun, shoplifting tools from Lowes........whatever.

I don't know what the respective penalties are but I know I pay with money or jail time if I break the law and get caught red handed.

Where is there cause to debate?

 

[HKShooter65]

Reminds me of the local news story of the unemployed Rockport man shooting seagulls on Copano Bay to feed his family.

The game warden felt sorry for the emaciated and disheveled guy and was letting him go, citation free, and said "Just don't you ever let me see you shooting those protected gulls again".

When the officer asked "By the way, what do they taste like???". "Well, more tough and gamy than whooping crane, more like bald eagle" replied the man.

 

[jordanmills]

Every slaughter house, or processing plant that I know of, if it wasn't fit for human consumption, they either made dog food or fertilizer out of it. Horns, hooves, blood and hides were used for something useful. Very little waste.

Yep. While not causing suffering and waste of life may not be the primary motivator of people running a slaughterhouse (though I'm sure that is an active concern of many involved), every ounce of a carcass that's discarded instead of sold as processed product is money lost. Both ethics and business sense demand as little waste as possible

 

[Hoji]

Odd that anyone would object to the guy being punished.
Had he shot a doe to feed his destitute and starving family I might pity him and hope for leniency. He was trophy poaching pure and simple and damn well knew it!

Speeding in a school zone, poaching a deer at night, vandalizing mailboxes, breaking a truck window to steal a gun, shoplifting tools from Lowes........whatever.

I don't know what the respective penalties are but I know I pay with money or jail time if I break the law and get caught red handed.

Where is there cause to debate?

No one is objecting to punishment. I believe that the objection is stemming from stripping his rights as a citizen for life over killing a deer. If he was torturing it in some ritualistic Democrat ceremony , or has a record of recidivism then sure, slap a felony on him. If the felony charge is stemming entirely from 1/2” of antler growth, then it is a bullshit charge. Same level as a hate crime is a bullshit add on charge.

 

[gdr_11]

We had a similar incident in Denton a year or two back with the guy who killed a record buck at night and was also charged with wasting the meat. Although he was charged $50,000+ in fines and restitution, it was still only a Class A misdemeanor and his hunting rights were only suspended for a couple of years. I don't know much about Utah and have no idea how the thought process of their Fish & Game and justice system works.

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/state/texas/article196808679.html

 

[Mohawk600]

in velvet too..........tard

 

[phoenix]

Only in america could you face this type of penalty for shooting a deer yet break into the country and be allowed to walk around free.

Not that i think he should not suffer for poaching. Many species are wiped out because of poachers.

 

[Whistler]

So I'm not a fan of trophy hunting but... if wasting meat is a factor in charges why won't a game warden let you keep a deer you hit with your car accidentally? Most places I've been they burn the carcass and that strikes me as just a little hypocritical.

 

[Moonpie]

So I'm not a fan of trophy hunting but... if wasting meat is a factor in charges why won't a game warden let you keep a deer you hit with your car accidentally? Most places I've been they burn the carcass and that strikes me as just a little hypocritical.

Because the fvckwits would be running down deer left and right.