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  • FireInTheWire

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    Yall know where I stand with harming children. Do not pass go, no $200.. stright to the noose.

    I'm very fortunate enough that one of the awesome lessons I learned on my journey to becoming a black belt, is anger is the gateway to mistakes. Decisions made under anger are usually short stroked with no end game insight.

    After the first talking to and second arm around my daughter, I'm pretty sure I'd have to follow oh boy home... learn him a bit and pay him a visit under cover of darkness, in mask and gloves, and damn near incapacitat him.
     

    Mowingmaniac 24/7

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    Child molesters.

    Yes, I appreciate this guy was (technically) not found guilty of molestation, but I'd be convinced he's gotta go with his past of being hand-sy with children and the trafficeing in child porn is enough evidence to convince me he simply wasn't 'caught' being a molester...

    I'm firm proponent of giving him a 'fair trial' and then hanging him.
     

    V-Tach

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    One would be amazed of how many registered sexual offenders are currently living in their neighborhoods...........
     

    benenglish

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    Child molesters.

    Yes, I appreciate this guy was (technically) not found guilty of molestation, but I'd be convinced he's gotta go with his past of being hand-sy with children and the trafficeing in child porn is enough evidence to convince me he simply wasn't 'caught' being a molester...
    That's a fair stance.

    Most child porn collectors are miserable, socially-maladjusted individuals who wouldn't hurt a fly. (And most child porn producers are actually children...but that's a whole 'nother subject.) How to or whether to punish those porn collectors is a bigger topic than we might want to discuss here. For those who want to research it, the history of how child porn became illegal in the United States (and many of us are old enough to remember when it was quite legal) is fascinating.

    On the other end of the spectrum are the molesters. I'm all for giving them all the due process to which any citizen is entitled. If found guilty, either lock away forever or execute; I don't care which. (And I'm saying this as a person who basically doesn't believe in the death penalty.)

    However, this guy, the one in the OP story, is different. He's in a middle ground. I find him more scary than the people at either of the other ends of the spectrum.

    Think about it. He went to the trouble of getting an education and employment that enabled him to be around children. He touched them. Even though it wasn't in any provably inappropriate way, he still couldn't stop himself from touching children despite getting specific verbal warnings. Hell, a molester with any sense wouldn't touch kids that were uncomfortable around him as in the OP story; doing so cuts down on the chances of successfully molesting one. Yet this guy couldn't help himself or was just too stupid to realize how badly he was messing up.

    This guy did a lot of work to get into the position he held. Then he demonstrated a massive lack of self-control. Those two things are not good when they're combined in anyone but especially when that person is a pedophile.

    I don't really know what to do with folks like this. Collecting some pictures may not be sufficient reason to execute someone or lock him away forever. However, it seems to me that in cases like this there should be some sort of sentencing enhancement that says "No, we don't think you molested any kids but you were clearly angling for the chance to do so. That demonstrates that you're a continuing danger. Thus, your sentence gets increased by some multiple that will exceed your lifetime."

    The whole situation is complex and alarming to an extent that I really have no answers but way too many questions.
     

    benenglish

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    Larry Nasser.....
    That guy was a straight-up molester. Forget the child porn they found in his possession. His molestation of girls was direct, physical, and unequivocal. He's going to be in jail till he's dead. That's good enough for me. I would have been fine with execution, too.

    If only every case was so clear.
     

    ZX9RCAM

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    That guy was a straight-up molester. Forget the child porn they found in his possession. His molestation of girls was direct, physical, and unequivocal. He's going to be in jail till he's dead. That's good enough for me. I would have been fine with execution, too.

    If only every case was so clear.
    Absolutely.
    Your prior post made me think of him.
     

    cycleguy2300

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    One would be amazed of how many registered sexual offenders are currently living in their neighborhoods...........
    Most people would be surprised, but not all sexual offenders are equal.dps has a good app for viewing where offenders live. There is a difference in what motivated the offence, in the chances of the offence happening again, in what the offence itself was.


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    V-Tach

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    Sure there is a difference in types offenses........but how do you know? I was just pointing out there is a lot of registered sexual offenders......more than I thought ever lived in our community..
     

    cycleguy2300

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    Sure there is a difference in types offenses........but how do you know? I was just pointing out there is a lot of registered sexual offenders......more than I thought ever lived in our community..
    Had training on it and dealt with the offenders here and there...

    My post was jumbled, sorry. I was meaning to say Yes, most would be surprised how many sex offenders live near them. And then separately saying not all sexual offenders are child molesters (for better or worse)

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    benenglish

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    Some places you have to register as a sex offender for urinating in public.
    12-year-olds have been placed on registries.

    Thirty states require registration for consensual sex between teenagers, half a dozen require registration for offenses related to prostitution, and a dozen more for urinating in public. Looking at illicit pictures regularly lands people on the registry, and perhaps most curiously, the Supreme Court has held that just drawing pictures of children engaged in sexual acts can be grounds for criminal prosecution.

    If you're a teenager and an underage girl lies about her age, you're screwed for life and it doesn't even matter if the girl and the girls mother plead for leniency on your behalf.

    8th graders who exchange nude photos can be found guilty of creating and possessing child porn and are subject to placement on a registry. As an aside, the whole reason child porn was made illegal was to protect children from predatory adults. Charging a child with producing child pornography for taking a photograph of their own body is an unfathomable perversion of the original intent of these laws.

    There are too many cases of ex post facto placement on registries to even begin posting links. And here I thought ex post facto punishments were unconstitutional. Silly me.

    Bottom line: Sex offender registries are a disaster. They don't do what their promoters say they do. They punish plenty of people who don't deserve it.

    If someone is so dangerous they need to be on a sex offender registry, they should be in jail. If they don't need to be in jail, the registries are a continuing punishment that is not remotely justifiable in the majority of cases.

    The whole registry system should be discarded and we need to find a new way to approach the problem, if there even is a problem worth addressing.
     

    Vaquero

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    12-year-olds have been placed on registries.

    Thirty states require registration for consensual sex between teenagers, half a dozen require registration for offenses related to prostitution, and a dozen more for urinating in public. Looking at illicit pictures regularly lands people on the registry, and perhaps most curiously, the Supreme Court has held that just drawing pictures of children engaged in sexual acts can be grounds for criminal prosecution.

    If you're a teenager and an underage girl lies about her age, you're screwed for life and it doesn't even matter if the girl and the girls mother plead for leniency on your behalf.

    8th graders who exchange nude photos can be found guilty of creating and possessing child porn and are subject to placement on a registry. As an aside, the whole reason child porn was made illegal was to protect children from predatory adults. Charging a child with producing child pornography for taking a photograph of their own body is an unfathomable perversion of the original intent of these laws.

    There are too many cases of ex post facto placement on registries to even begin posting links. And here I thought ex post facto punishments were unconstitutional. Silly me.

    Bottom line: Sex offender registries are a disaster. They don't do what their promoters say they do. They punish plenty of people who don't deserve it.

    If someone is so dangerous they need to be on a sex offender registry, they should be in jail. If they don't need to be in jail, the registries are a continuing punishment that is not remotely justifiable in the majority of cases.

    The whole registry system should be discarded and we need to find a new way to approach the problem, if there even is a problem worth addressing.


    And a teacher in Abilene was just arrested as part of a human trafficking/ child pornography ring.

    Not busting your chops Ben. Just pointing out the good side of where the registry will be.
     
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