Global warming causes ammo kaboom

[craigntx]

https://futurism.com/military-ammunition-stockpiles-exploding-global-warming
Experts told SA that higher temperatures can weaken the structural integrity of stored military weapons and ammunition. And when SA analyzed data from the arms-monitoring Small Arms Survey, it found that the weapon explosions were about 60 percent more likely to occur between late-April and mid-September — the hottest period of the year.

 

[pronstar]

Sensational article, nothing more.

NASA days temps have risen 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit since 1880.

IMHO that won’t cause rounds to cook-off uncontrollably.



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[Darkpriest667]

Sensational article, nothing more.

NASA days temps have risen 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit since 1880.

IMHO that won’t cause rounds to cook-off uncontrollably.



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Just remember we haven't had accurate temperature readings since 1880. We've only had accurate temperature readings through GISS since the 1970s. So we have about 50 years of accurate temperature data, not 130. Not nearly enough to show a trend in my opinion.

 

[Mohawk600]

Really.....so all of my vintage ammo is going to explode one day because of global warming and improper storage?...........oh my

 

[Dawico]

Gunpowder manufacturers and SAAMI will tell you that powder begins to decompose if stored above about 75°. It becomes unstable after that.

So yeah, ammo stored in the Iraqi desert (or similar) and not properly rotated out and used will create problems.

Not really a surprise there.

 

[mad88minute]

Just remember we haven't had accurate temperature readings since 1880. We've only had accurate temperature readings through GISS since the 1970s. So we have about 50 years of accurate temperature data, not 130. Not nearly enough to show a trend in my opinion.

We still dont have accurate temp reading. I remember hearing about temp sensors being placed on the tarmac at LAX with jet exhaust blowing on them.
People with an agenda to prove are running much of the research and doing what they can to affect the outcomes.

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[Mohawk600]

Gunpowder manufacturers and SAAMI will tell you that powder begins to decompose if stored above about 75°. It becomes unstable after that.

So yeah, ammo stored in the Iraqi desert (or similar) and not properly rotated out and used will create problems.

Not really a surprise there.

I store my stuff at room temp......not desert or tropical conditions.

I will still fire 100 year ammo as long as it is not corroded.

 

[pronstar]

We still dont have accurate temp reading. I remember hearing about temp sensors being placed on the tarmac at LAX with jet exhaust blowing on them.
People with an agenda to prove are running much of the research and doing what they can to affect the outcomes.

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I’ve never read about anything quite so egregious, but have read many articles over the years substantiating falsified readings based on location of temperature sensors...namely, near or in heat sinks.

Here’s a recent summary of those findings:

https://www.climatedepot.com/2019/0...siting-leads-to-artificial-long-term-warming/


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[Mohawk600]

I’ve never read about anything quite so egregious, but have read many articles over the years substantiating falsified readings based on location of temperature sensors...namely, near or in heat sinks.

Here’s a recent summary of those findings:

https://www.climatedepot.com/2019/0...siting-leads-to-artificial-long-term-warming/


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the supposition that we don't have accurate long term temp records from all parts of the planet is idiocy........

 

[IXLR8]

I live in Houston. At one time there was 200 ft of water over the spot I live in. Was that “normal”, or is today normal? When you observe the Earth for few years instead of many millennia, then things look weird.

 

[plinkr]

the supposition that we don't have accurate long term temp records from all parts of the planet is idiocy........

Correct, the old equipment, although primitive by today's standards, was quite accurate. After all, we still use the unit developed by James Watt over 200 years ago. However, one factor that is often overlooked is that many if the sites that have been monitored for over a century went from being cool countryside to hot urban (paved) areas.

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[pronstar]

Correct, the old equipment, although primitive by today's standards, was quite accurate. After all, we still use the unit developed by James Watt over 200 years ago. However, one factor that is often overlooked is that many if the sites that have been monitored for over a century went from being cool countryside to hot urban (paved) areas.

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That’s exactly what the article states.

No one in the links/articles are arguing about the accuracy of the measurement devices. Rather, the placement near heat sinks is the issue.

Even NOAA has admitted that this is the case...but instead of moving them, they use mathematical correction factors.

It goes on to say that rising temps are much less than reported, when these 400+ “math-corrected” stations are taken out of the results.


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[ZX9RCAM]

The 606 incidents were in a total of 101 different countries.

 

[TX OMFS]

Gunpowder manufacturers and SAAMI will tell you that powder begins to decompose if stored above about 75°. It becomes unstable after that.

So yeah, ammo stored in the Iraqi desert (or similar) and not properly rotated out and used will create problems.

Not really a surprise there.

If I have to climate control my ammo my wife is gonna be pissed.

 

[oldag]

the supposition that we don't have accurate long term temp records from all parts of the planet is idiocy........

I hope your remark is sarcastic.

 

[Geezer]

Y'all should be able to hear mine if it goes off.

 

[Bozz10mm]

The 606 incidents were in a total of 101 different countries.

Over a period of 4 decades.

 

[Fishkiller]

This may become a talking point for the climate change Al Gore followers. (AKA Loonies)

 

[Mohawk600]

I hope your remark is sarcastic.

Not really......for the last 150 years they are direct......beyond that....science has found many indirect ways to determine temperature over time. There is a pretty good picture of how the earth has warmed and cooled/ cooled and warmed over time. Maybe not in DETAIL, but there is a good idea.

 

[Glenn B]

So clue me in - since when does small arms ammunition explode, at least in terms of a large mass explosion that could kill 1,000 people as stated in that article. I have always been taught that when small arms ammunition is exposed to high heat - as in a fire - it in essence cooks off one round at a time, kind of like individual kernels of popping popcorn. I have seen several films/videos of ammo cooking off and each time it did it more or less like popcorn. Granted, when separate ammo components are exposed to high heat - as in a fire - things like loose primers and bulk gunpowder most definitely can cause huge explosions but the article was talking small arms ammo, as in cartridges, not about individual components. It's seemingly more balderdash from the left is what I am thinking, something the uninformed and blissfully ignorant will gladly accept as fact because a scientist who believes in global warming (whoops I meant climate change) said it.