TGT Vaping Thread

[Byrd666]

It's simple. I feel healthier because of vaping than I did when smoking either cigarettes or cigars. I'm saving a metric shit tonne of money because I'm not smoking, or using any type of tobacco products whatsoever.

Look, smoking, dipping chewing, snorting coke, or mainlining heroin are all addictive and, or stupid. We all know these things. Yet some of us picked up the most addictive, and one of, if not, the costliest, habit or addiction on the planet, we started smoking. Now when we try to quit, you give us shit for using a viable and proven alternative? Doesn't make any sense to me...

Don't like it, don't look at it. Same as I won't if I don't like your car or your shirt.

 

[GoPappy]

I think it was a step in the right direction--he just needs to keep moving that way. I am not in favor of more government oversight. Vaping has taken the nation by storm literally and was on the shelves before any testing could be done.

You said that John Sharp banned vaping on all TAMU campuses and it’s the best thing he’s done yet. And then you say it was a step in the right direction. But then you say “I’m not in favor of more government oversight.”

You need to get your story straight. Sounds like typical liberal crap to me. I.e., you don’t care about government infringement of personal freedoms unless and until it’s YOUR ox that is being gored. Then you’ll scream to high holy heaven.

But vaping isn’t your ox, so you don’t care.

 

[GoPappy]

I wonder if TAMU female students can vape in an abortion clinic.

 

[Younggun]

I wonder if TAMU female students can vape in an abortion clinic.

If it’s off campus then they obviously wouldn’t be held to a rule applicable only to campus property.

And let’s not drag unrelated political topics in to random threads on the forum.


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[GoPappy]

Sorry.

 

[craigntx]

Out of how many people over how many years?


Whoopdy doo. Better go back to cigarettes while there’s still time.


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The CDC says dont be an addict
https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/severe-lung-disease.html

 

[Bozz10mm]

The CDC says dont be an addict
https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/severe-lung-disease.html

"Most patients report a history of using THC-containing products. The latest national and regional findings suggest products containing THC play a role in the outbreak."

 

[Younggun]

The CDC says dont be an addict
https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/severe-lung-disease.html

We all have our vices.


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[Bozz10mm]

If you plan to continue vaping past May 10, 2020, you might want to begin stocking up. Not just nicotine juice, but pretty much anything related to vaping, including the hardware. Even 0 mg nic juice will be considered a tobacco product.

https://vaping360.com/vape-news/820...-must-submit-pmtas-in-10-months-or-shut-down/

A few excerpts from the link:

Vaping manufacturers must submit premarket tobacco applications (PMTAs) within 10 months or remove their products from the market, according to an order issued today by federal District Court Judge Paul W. Grimm.

In his 12-page order, the judge said manufacturers who submit an application within 10 months—by May 11, 2020—will be able to leave products on the market for up to one year while the FDA considers the application.

No vape manufacturer has submitted a PMTA, because of the excessive cost of the research and analysis required (estimated at more than $1 million per application). Additionally, FDA had not even published final guidance for manufacturers until last month, when it did so under pressure from Judge Grimm.

Nothing in the FDA guidance document offered any hope for small manufacturers. It would be a fool’s errand to gamble millions of dollars on applications that are unlikely to meet the high bar of proving that products are “appropriate for the protection of public health.”

 

[Bozz10mm]

In other vaping news:

Bill to Tax Vaping Like Tobacco Products Clears House Committee

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-like-tobacco-products-clears-house-committee

And the Senate has a similar bill

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BILLS-116s2463is/pdf/BILLS-116s2463is.pdf

 

[Gilbertc13]

This just sucks ^^^ I’m hoping to be done by then


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[Dad_Roman]

This just sucks ^^^ I’m hoping to be done by then

Likewise.

 

[HKShooter65]

"Most patients report a history of using THC-containing products. The latest national and regional findings suggest products containing THC play a role in the outbreak."

https://www.vox.com/2019/10/28/20936888/vaping-lung-illness-symptoms-death-cdc-report

Maybe it's already old news but it seems, to me, to be underreported.
Vaping lung injuries and deaths seem mostly related to illegal black market THC products bought on the street.
The toxic culprit is likely found to be Vitamin E acetate.
Nasty stuff when inhaled and, to date, scarcely researched.
It's dirt cheap, looks and acts like THC oil and is used illicitly and illegal to dilute THC oil.

The problematic and dangerous vaping seems not to be legal-state cannabis pens nor legitimate nicotine products.

Buyer beware!!!

Stay tuned.

 

[Bozz10mm]

https://www.vox.com/2019/10/28/20936888/vaping-lung-illness-symptoms-death-cdc-report


Vaping lung injuries and deaths seem mostly related to illegal black market THC products bought on the street.


Stay tuned.

Yep, the MSM left out that one little detail. Made it appear that vaping in general would kill ya DRT.

 

[Byrd666]

Been a while since this thread popped up. Anything new to know about?

 

[Hoji]

Been a while since this thread popped up. Anything new to know about?

 

[Bozz10mm]

Been a while since this thread popped up. Anything new to know about?

Nothing really new, but May 10 is approaching rapidly. (See post #709) That is the deadline the FDA has set for manufactures to submit a PMTA (Pre Marketing Tobacco Application) for every new product. A “new tobacco product” is any product not commercially marketed in the United States as of February 15, 2007

From what I understand, every item produced by each manufacturer must be submitted and approved. That would be a separate application for every flavor of Juice, and every iteration of atomizers, cartomizers, and vaping devices.

The PMTA is a very expensive process and will more than likely run all but the largest manufacturers out of business.

I'm not saying the sky is falling, but if you want to continue vaping, you might want to stock up on your favorites now. Brick and mortar shops and probably most online sellers will be shut down. The only thing you will be able to get are the low nicotine non refillable cartridges from Big Tobacco.

For more info and insight, check out this thread in the E-cigarette forum.
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/threads/the-final-count-down-are-you-ready.917085/

LOL, and just ignore all of Hoji's memes.

 

[Younggun]

Nothing really new, but May 10 is approaching rapidly. That is the deadline the FDA has set for manufactures to submit a PMTA (Pre Marketing Tobacco Application) for every new product. A “new tobacco product” is any product not commercially marketed in the United States as of February 15, 2007

From what I understand, every item produced by each manufacturer must be submitted and approved. That would be a separate application for every flavor of Juice, and every iteration of atomizers, cartomizers, and vaping devices.

The PMTA is a very expensive process and will more than likely run all but the largest manufacturers out of business.

I'm not saying the sky is falling, but if you want to continue vaping, you might want to stock up on your favorites now. Brick and mortar shops and probably most online sellers will be shut down. The only thing you will be able to get are the low nicotine non refillable cartridges from Big Tobacco.

The small shop I use in Waco has told me they will be fine as it stands now.

The flavorpocolypse seems to have been limited to self contained systems like the Juul being sold with flavored cartridges. Worth noting, Juul runs 50mg nicotine where most shops won’t sell a mix greater than 24mg.

Other systems with refillable tanks don’t seem to be all that affected. But it may be that whoever they buy from was able weather the storm. I don’t know all the details, but it’s their livelihood so if they aren’t panicking I’m not. They did pick up some extra business when other shops basically gave up and closed their doors when all of this started.

In their worst case scenario, they would sell unflavored liquids and give away a bottle of of whichever flavor was preferred upon request minimizing the number of approvals needed.


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[Bozz10mm]

The small shop I use in Waco has told me they will be fine as it stands now.

The flavorpocolypse seems to have been limited to self contained systems like the Juul being sold with flavored cartridges. Worth noting, Juul runs 50mg nicotine where most shops won’t sell a mix greater than 24mg.

Other systems with refillable tanks don’t seem to be all that affected. But it may be that whoever they buy from was able weather the storm. I don’t know all the details, but it’s their livelihood so if they aren’t panicking I’m not. They did pick up some extra business when other shops basically gave up and closed their doors when all of this started.

In their worst case scenario, they would sell unflavored liquids and give away a bottle of of whichever flavor was preferred upon request minimizing the number of approvals needed.


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I wish I could share the optimism. The FDA's assault on vaping is about more than just flavors. Even 0 mg nicotine juice will be classified as a tobacco product. They want to ban, regulate, control, and tax everything vaping related. Not just the flavors but all nicotine liquid, and all the hardware associated.

I hope all the small shops stay in business, but if they are doing nothing to comply with PMTA requirements, they will have to shut down or risk violating federal regs.

This is the vaping equivalent to an AWB and magazine capacity ban. No basis for it. Feelings and fear generated by the media and some well funded antis.

 

[Younggun]

I wish I could share the optimism. The FDA's assault on vaping is about more than just flavors. Even 0 mg nicotine juice will be classified as a tobacco product. They want to ban, regulate, control, and tax everything vaping related. Not just the flavors but all nicotine liquid, and all the hardware associated.

I hope all the small shops stay in business, but if they are doing nothing to comply with PMTA requirements, they will have to shut down or risk violating federal regs.

This is the vaping equivalent to an AWB and magazine capacity ban. No basis for it. Feelings and fear generated by the media and some well funded antis.

I don’t disagree.

The shop I go to isn’t one of the hole in the wall places run by a couple people with bottles of stale nic mix in the back. They are on top of things and have no intention of taking any legal risks.

By not selling mixed flavors they would cut down the number of required approvals by about 1/30th since the law requires every single recipe to be approved. Not just the separate components. If they just sell unflavored liquids they only need about 5 approvals for 0, 6, 12, 18, and 24mg.

Approvals on hardware will come down to the companies making it. That’s out of their hands...but there’s enough money in the industry that the big guys will hold on. If not, people will just start ordering tanks and mods off banggood.


But it’s a bullshit scheme by the government that has nothing to do with public safety and everything to do with lobbying by tobacco companies and media pushing a BS scare campaign so all the soccer moms will watch and cry in their pillows wondering if their kid might try a deadly vape pen instead of getting drunk, smoking weed, and knocking up their girlfriend/getting knocked up by boyfriend before rolling a $40,000 car in the ditch on the way home like a normal spoilt brat who’s parents don’t really pay attention to anything that’s actually happening.

/rant


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