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  • rmantoo

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    My father and godfather bought a ranch in mexico in 1959. For the next 49 years they and their family and friends put many, many 1000s of dollars into the local economy. We spent a lot of time there, fishing, hunting, and generally recreating.

    Their gun laws were always laughable. And largely ignored.

    Starting in the mid 2000s we saw innocent locals suffer from the rampant proliferation of lawlessness and violence associated with narco activities. Firearms law violations were almost exclusively used against non-politically connected individuals. Politicians and cartel members were almost never prosecuted.

    In 2008 someone kidnapped the teacher we employed on the ranch. We spent quite a bit of money to get her back, and the kidnappers nonetheless permanently injured her, both physically and mentally.

    We cleaned out equipment and furnishings shortly thereafter and have not returned since. Our nearest neighbors had a large ranch, also, and were Americans. They experienced almost the exact same thing in 2009 and abandoned their property, too.

    It's truly sad that a place that was at one time so tranquil and enjoyable became largely dangerous and risky for Americans - and locals- to even visit.
     

    Frank59

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    I am not going to visit Mexico again. Been some years since I did.

    No way.
    Por Que Gringo??
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    pronstar

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    An avocado-growing region...makes sense.

    From what I’ve read, cartels own the avocado trade. Helped in no small part by legalizing weed in the US.

    Here’s a funny vid about it.





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    45tex

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    "Michoacan, an important avocado-growing state, has recently has seen a jump in violence that has brought back memories of the bloodiest days of Mexico’s war on drug cartels between 2006 and 2012."
    Kalifornia will demand " that somebody else do something" if even one avocado is harmed.
     

    TheDan

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    An avocado-growing region...makes sense.

    From what I’ve read, cartels own the avocado trade. Helped in no small part by legalizing weed in the US.
    When those types of "business practices" migrate from illicit activity to something as innocuous as avocados, I think you have to accept it's just their culture. This is another reason NAFTA sucks; you can't have free trade with people whose values are that different from your own.
     
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    Texasgordo

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    My father and godfather bought a ranch in mexico in 1959. For the next 49 years they and their family and friends put many, many 1000s of dollars into the local economy. We spent a lot of time there, fishing, hunting, and generally recreating.

    Their gun laws were always laughable. And largely ignored.

    Starting in the mid 2000s we saw innocent locals suffer from the rampant proliferation of lawlessness and violence associated with narco activities. Firearms law violations were almost exclusively used against non-politically connected individuals. Politicians and cartel members were almost never prosecuted.

    In 2008 someone kidnapped the teacher we employed on the ranch. We spent quite a bit of money to get her back, and the kidnappers nonetheless permanently injured her, both physically and mentally.

    We cleaned out equipment and furnishings shortly thereafter and have not returned since. Our nearest neighbors had a large ranch, also, and were Americans. They experienced almost the exact same thing in 2009 and abandoned their property, too.

    It's truly sad that a place that was at one time so tranquil and enjoyable became largely dangerous and risky for Americans - and locals- to even visit.
    What part of Mexico?
     

    rmantoo

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    When those types of "business practices" migrate from illicit activity to something as innocuous as avocados, I think you have to accept it's just their culture. This is another reason NAFTA sucks; you can't have free trade with people whose values are that different from your own.

    I disagree that it's just a part of their culture.

    Before the late 90s into the early 2000s, violence was pretty dang rare in Mexico. For sure, in the 70s and 80s into the 90s violence was extremely rare. Most of Mexico was far safer than most cities in the USA. I spent a LOT of time in Mexico from my birth in 1967, all the way up until 2008, and before about 2000 I never once worried about violence or kidnapping there, because it basically didn't exist.

    As our war on drugs migrated from South America north, and as the drug trade in the USA became more lucrative than ever before - primarily due to both American demand and prohibition- only then did Mexico start feeling the effects of our rampant consumption of drugs. And just like alcohol prohibition here in the 20s, the natural result of prohibition was the proliferation of violence and organized crime.



    What part of Mexico?

    About 20 miles east of Jimenez, Tamaulipas.
     

    BillFairbanks

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    When those types of "business practices" migrate from illicit activity to something as innocuous as avocados, I think you have to accept it's just their culture. This is another reason NAFTA sucks; you can't have free trade with people whose values are that different from your own.

    It’s not like there hasn’t been plenty of violence in the oil or cattle industries in Texas.


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