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  • easy rider

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    With the Sig P320 it's the FCU that's serialized, so I can see where the argument might be in an AR, but I can also see where that might lead to trouble with the ATF redefining them.
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    Why don't they ask Colt?
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    Vaquero; All,

    SIMPLE. = IF they asked Colt, Remington, Mossberg or any other major firearms maker, they would get the FACTS rather than some DUMB-bunny's ignorant opinion.

    In the 21st Century what passes for most of the "mainstream news" is a combination of SHARED IGNORANCE, THOUGHT-FREE OPINIONS, POLITICAL RHETORIC, UNREASONING HATE, LEFTIST PROPAGANDA & just plain KNOWING LIES.

    I will never forget the words of "the blond empty-head" on CNN who opined in 2016 about, "- - -- - the VERY DEADLY full-automatic machine revolvers that hold over 100 bullets & can spray-out over 500 bullets per minute. That sort of DEADLY assault weapon just MUST BE OUTLAWED to protect our children from being MASSACRED by the thousands."

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    I wouldn't want a manufacturer dictating the laws, especially one that is more interested in government contracts than a civilian market. I know, let's ask the founding fathers!


    easy rider,

    BETTER to ask a firearms maker than a DIMocRAT extremist or a "main-SLIME media news outlet", IF those were the only choices.

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    VERY DEADLY full-automatic machine revolvers that hold over 100 bullets & can spray-out over 500 bullets per minute.
    Haven't seen any legislation recently. Can you tell where to buy one of those revolvers? It would be even more fun than my fully SEMI- AUTOMATIC MSR. I've heard the cylinder is a bit heavy but every thing has its drawbacks.
     

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    Haven't seen any legislation recently. Can you tell where to buy one of those revolvers? It would be even more fun than my fully SEMI- AUTOMATIC MSR. I've heard the cylinder is a bit heavy but every thing has its drawbacks.
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    45tex,

    The ONLY gun that matches most, but not all, of that description is a VULCAN automatic cannon & I suspect that the USAF wouldn't sell one to anyone other than an allied nation.

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    What is a 1 pounder Gatling Gun. Google is clueless.

    avvidclif,

    SIMPLE (and I cannot imagine that there's nothing google, but I'll take your word for it), A "one pounder" Gatling Gun is a "pretty normal looking" Gatling, which was mounted on a wheeled carriage & towed by a team of horses or mules.
    ADDENDA: Normally, one or more horse or mule -drawn ammunition carts followed the Gatling Guns to the place of utilization.

    The "one pounder" was in the S-W era considered to be both a piece of light artillery AND/OR a "long-range" direct fire weapon, depending on the ammo that was being used.
    (If memory serves me correctly, the maximum effective direct-fire range against point targets was in excess of 2000 yards.)

    The "big" Gatling Gun (Gatling Guns were chambered in any number of calibers from .38RF to the "one Pound" shell - At the engagements at San Juan & Kettle Hills there were both Gatling Guns in .30-40 Krag caliber & the One Pounder guns. Further, at least one newspaper reporter stated in a wartime article in the NY JOURNAL that the Rough Riders also had "acquired" a pair of Gatling Guns in 7x57mm caliber, which were also used in the S-A War.) was chambered for a shell which fired a shell that had a ONE POUND projectile.
    (Actually the loaded shell weighed well over 2.5 pounds.)

    Historical Note: The Rough Riders also had SIX 7x57mm Colt's Machine Guns (which are commonly called "Tater Diggers"), which they had brought to Cuba. - Those 6 guns were "loaned" to the Rough Riders by TIFFANY's JEWELRY STORES of NYC, because one of L.C. Tiffany's sons was a SGT with the Rough Riders.
    (SGT Tiffany was KIA while manning one of the Colt's MG from his position atop Kettle Hill about 3/4 of an hour before San Juan Hill was taken by a combination of the 9th Cavalry's Buffalo Soldiers & at least 3 companies of the Rough Riders.)

    After the War concluded, Tiffany's requested that their 6 MGs be returned to them. FOUR of the guns were returned to the company about 45 days after the return was requested. - The other 2 guns were NOT returned & were "presumed lost" in the War.
    (About 18 months ago, the other two MGs were found behind a partition in the basement of COL Roosevelt's home in Oyster Bay, NY & still packed in a wooden crate that still bears "shipping labels" for return to Tiffany's, Inc. = As Tiffany's, when they were offered to be returned to the company, said, "No thank you", those 2 guns will be placed on "long-term loan" to the Smithsonian Institute & will be displayed at the American History Museum, when a suitable display is completed in 2020.)

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    So this is how it reads to me,
    "That part of a firearm which provides housing for the hammer, bolt or breechblock,"

    Is an or statement, indicating the requirement of one of these three items.

    "and firing mechanism, and which is usually threaded at its forward portion to receive the barrel"

    And the requirement of a firing mechanism. In this case the workings of the trigger should do. It doesn't state it must be threaded to the barrel, only that it can be.

    I could be wrong, but per definition it seems reasonable to make a lower the serialized part, legally.

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