What features for a Safe?
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Yeah, works well on the guns inside too.
The point is the top and backs of most safes are the weakest point. Especially the seam where they meet. Just something to be aware of. A little research will show just how easy it is.
I'm sure someone knows of a bank vault like safe where this isnt true but the safes most of us in the real world will have are not that secure. Knowing the weakness allows you to mitigate it. A safe is part of a system to deter and buy time, i.e. dogs, security system, cameras properly secured property, properly maintained landscaping and good relationships with neighbors. By its self with out other security it is of limited use as any half way decent burglar knows this stuff. I spent years around these pukes and they all know this and in criminal finishing school, i.e. prison, they freely pass on the info. The really good ones, pros not crack heads, will even back out without ransacking the place if they see a huge target and come back later. Trust me when I say they can empty most safes this way in 5 or so minutes. You extend that time by doing your part as mentioned above.
I'm sure someone knows of a bank vault like safe where this isnt true but the safes most of us in the real world will have are not that secure. Knowing the weakness allows you to mitigate it. A safe is part of a system to deter and buy time, i.e. dogs, security system, cameras properly secured property, properly maintained landscaping and good relationships with neighbors. By its self with out other security it is of limited use as any half way decent burglar knows this stuff. I spent years around these pukes and they all know this and in criminal finishing school, i.e. prison, they freely pass on the info. The really good ones, pros not crack heads, will even back out without ransacking the place if they see a huge target and come back later. Trust me when I say they can empty most safes this way in 5 or so minutes. You extend that time by doing your part as mentioned above.
Pretty sure everyone has seen vids of safes being keyed open.
That said, I haven’t once seen a report of burglars actually doing it. Yeah, probably happened once or twice. But every gun theft I’ve seen reported has been from guns that were not locked up.
IMO, the idea of “smart criminals” is highly exaggerated and the odds of any of them actually attempting to get inside the average consumer gun safe are extremely small. Might they try to drag one out of its near enough to the front door, sure. But I don’t think anyone could show me a enough reports of safes being busted and emptied on site to make it anything more than a statistical anomaly.
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That said, I haven’t once seen a report of burglars actually doing it. Yeah, probably happened once or twice. But every gun theft I’ve seen reported has been from guns that were not locked up.
IMO, the idea of “smart criminals” is highly exaggerated and the odds of any of them actually attempting to get inside the average consumer gun safe are extremely small. Might they try to drag one out of its near enough to the front door, sure. But I don’t think anyone could show me a enough reports of safes being busted and emptied on site to make it anything more than a statistical anomaly.
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You're correct that most times people help the crook or crackhead by doing just as you said and make it too easy for them to steal our stuff. Safes open or not bolted down, homes unlocked etc or thinking you're smart enough to hid stuff where they will never look.
This doesnt have any bearing on how easy safes are to get into or how many pros there are out there who specialize in specific crimes and rarely are quickly caught.
If you're interested you should do some research on specialized criminals, specifically re this discussion the safe specialist or higher end home burglar. These guys sometimes go years or decades without getting caught. As I mentioned above not your typical crack head. The reports and stories are out there but not well published as police and insc companies keep the particulars quiet as specialists very often can be tracked and identified by their M O. Plus their methods are often so simple they arent reported for some of the same reason, that is beyond just saying someone was robbed or not to help aspiring crooks. There arent very many news reports of burglary cases as they are all too common. We hear about this stuff thru forums or buddies with similar interests getting guns stolen or thru professional connections. We all know most of the time police wont even respond to residential burglaries after the fact anymore, unless to clear the property, instead taking reports over the phone now days. It could be hours or days before someone responds for finger prints and pics if at all.
Some safe specialist carry only a hatchet and small sledge as they can use it to cut an arm sized hole in most safes from the top or back. Others use spreader bars or saws or drills with hole saws or a combination of smaller tools. Pry bar attacks are usually a sign of amateurs or poor planning as they are attempting to open the safe at its strongest point but are still successful many times. There are hundreds of videos pictures and reports of these type methods all over the internet. From simple stealing a safe to prybar attacks to more sophisticated specialized or unique ways safes are robbed.
I've spent a couple decades around these folks. You dont catch the smart ones. Pros get that way thru practice and planning.
Info is power. Use it as you will. Having a safe is way better than hiding stuff under the mattress or back of the closet. Again, knowing weakness helps you mitigate it. Ignoring or disregarding such info has the opposite effect.
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In your good gun safe?
You do really need to do homework like maybe a level 5 safe that is rated to 15 man minutes if continous beating of blowtorch saw ect. Alot of safes can be cut open in less than 10mins sometimes 8mins depending on the safes reinforcements I was shocked looking at videos you really do have to spend money on a good safe and fire rated at high temps.
Wait! William Perry is an arsonist?
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In my opinion.... Stay away from safes that have electronic components
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They are a pain to deal with if something goes wrong
My batteries are under the keypad on the outside of the safe.
I’ve had my electronic safe for 10 years now, with no issues. It even fell over on its face during my most recent move and knocked the keypad off. I simply popped it back into place, replaced the batteries, and i opened it right up.
